[scott_uw]

Originally Posted by Templar

I didn't belittle anyone until I was called an idiot or a moron first... I guess that still doesn't make it right though. I said I would be interested to see what the age demographic was in this thread. Interested was all. And since when is calling someone young a way of belittling them? I never said that because someone was young they lacked wisdom. Why are you putting words into my mouth? I think you're really reaching, just looking for an argument after I admitted I was looking at a whole different view, and agreed with what was being said.

And I corrected myself and said I was wrong about the "punch in the face," which goes hand in hand with saying people were making wild assumptions.

Read the whole thread, and not just the last page. I'm not biting on to your troll bait.

I really should just stick to the car parts of these forums... It seems the off-topic area is where all the trolls reside.

Funny how when confronted with the truth you must resort to calling me a troll. You insinuated that those with differing viewpoints(which you feel are wrong) were young(and wrong because of their age). You are providing us with a common example of a fallacious argument from age. You even follow the same pattern of fallacious argument in calling me a troll and then repeating the same claim for everyone else.

I am not putting any words in your mouth and I will prove it.

#1 I would like to see the age demographic of the people in this thread that think this is so horrible, it would be.. interesting... Most of you are probably pretty young.

#2 I don't think so, but some of you probably will think so, also probably the same group that I think are kids on these forums and probably aren't the best people to ask for an opinion.

#3 I'll try to play nice, as you're probably a member of the group I was referring to (if you've even read any of my posts).

You are called an idiot in response here.

#4 It seems I forgot the target audience of this thread, the exact same group I mentioned at first....

#5 I can tell the difference between you and the other posters...

Grow up.

[crumb]

Originally Posted by Dr. G

Now I don't condone the behaviour of the father, however what I fail to understand is why she did not just roll over and take one spank in the ass (like she did from her mother) and hope that it all just ends after.

Now that I think of it though it leads me to believe that her past experiences from bending over for her father were less pleasant then taking the beating for not bending over (not implying this in a seuxal way, rather yet just a literal way). It's sad to think that this may be the case.

Is it possible that the victim of this awful beating refused to comply because she knew the scene was being recorded? With that said, I must say that this Judge Adams makes one question figures of authority and people in general... What is real and what is an illusion?

[Gregxi]

Originally Posted by yakev724

Mother doesn't deserve any less punishment than the father.

No she doesn't, watching her on TV trying to be Mom finally, made my skin crawl.
I hope she has a good relationship with her sister, both her parents are monsters

[Gregxi]

Originally Posted by Templar

No, you're wrong. The physics of that are pretty impossible. Without a straight punch it wouldn't have broken anything, besides the fact that he hit her in the rear and not her chest. I guess you need an anatomy lesson. Don't they teach that in high school? I figured you would have learned that by now.

What happens when discussions don't work? How many times do you need to have a discussion with your kid not to do something for them to stop doing it? 10? 50? 100? I'm not advocating beating the shit out of someone, but you all make it sound like a smack is total 100% child abuse and it is horrible. I said what was done was excessive. You misunderstood my use of quotations too. It was only a "crime" in his eyes. Downloading a game online isn't a crime to everyone but to him it was, that's why I used it in quotations.

I do agree he has some issues.

What I do not agree with, is that every instance of a swift smack on the butt for something that has been repeatedly discussed as wrong, is not child abuse or out of the question when it comes to disciplining a child who will not listen.

I never condoned what this guy did. I am pointing out that A) legally nothing will happen to this guy and B) sometimes a smack on the ass is just what a kid needs. If my kid steals from a store once, we will have a discussion. He steals again, then the discussion didn't sink in, so something else is in order (perhaps grounding them, taking something away). If it still doesn't work, what do you do? Go to group counseling? LOL.

It seems I forgot the target audience of this thread, the exact same group I mentioned at first....

I spent 5 years working with troubled teens, most of them victims of abuse, physical,mental and sexual. I have seen first hand what a belt can do to someone and yes it can break their ribs. It was over twenty years ago when I did this but those images are still just as fresh in my memory as they were the day I saw them.
As a parent I find this video disgusting and I feel for the girl who grew up in fear of her own parents.

[Templar]

Originally Posted by Gregxi

I spent 5 years working with troubled teens, most of them victims of abuse, physical,mental and sexual. I have seen first hand what a belt can do to someone and yes it can break their ribs. It was over twenty years ago when I did this but those images are still just as fresh in my memory as they were the day I saw them.
As a parent I find this video disgusting and I feel for the girl who grew up in fear of her own parents.

OK

[SpmnE9zero]

We have all been raised differently to some degree. The manner in which you are raised forms you as a person and will ultimately play a role in how you raise your children.
To some who have been victim to some degree of physical, mental, or verbal abuse, this form of behavior may seem more usual than to others who have been brought up in a home where violence and verbal threats are unacceptable.

No different than society around you will mold the lifestyle you so chose to live. We are all affected by our surroundings to some degree.

I dont want to be judgmental and discriminate against those who have had a rough bringing up and are now mentoring their children in the same fashion, but I will point it out if I see it. This guy probably had a hellion of a father, and he is only parenting in the only way he knows how. Doesnt make it right, doesnt make him any less of an asshole, but in his mind, he is only doing what is right.

End of the day, he is not an upstanding individual, he is an abusive, over powering, control freak who needs to get the piss off the stand.

If he feels his actions are free of criminal activity, I would hate to understand his decision making process when placing sentences to individuals that appear in his courtroom.

Where is Dexter when you need him?

[ABQ325i]

Originally Posted by Gregxi

I spent 5 years working with troubled teens, most of them victims of abuse, physical,mental and sexual. I have seen first hand what a belt can do to someone and yes it can break their ribs. It was over twenty years ago when I did this but those images are still just as fresh in my memory as they were the day I saw them.
As a parent I find this video disgusting and I feel for the girl who grew up in fear of her own parents.

Two women were sentenced to life without parole in NC yesterday because they whipped a little 3 year old girl to death with a belt for urinating on the carpet.

IMHO it should have been a capital case.

http://www.wect.com/story/15950015/s...n-childs-death

[Crimson92]

some of the comments on youtube are encouraging the beatings.

wtf

people are backwards.

[The1]

I accept a spanking, but this is much beyond necessity in my eyes (my own opinion) and for it to continue as long as it did is a bit ridiculous.

I feel like some people aren't seeing some of the things that are actually happening here. Yes the girl eventually turned over and got the spanking she was supposed to get, but then you see the dad upset that he didn't get a turn.... So he has to start all over again just so he can get a shot.... It's almost like it was pleasure to him.

Beating the child aside, let's pretend for a second we didn't see that happen, but only heard everything that was said. That's emotional abuse too, nothing constructive was going said, only attacks.

If your child is at the point where they have to address you as "sir" something is missing.

I'm not going to sit here and defend the daughter, but she could have made it easier on herself and just did as he asked right away and received a smaller punishment. But as others have said, maybe the past prevented her from feeling safe to do so.

there's disapline, then there's crossing a line into pleasure, and he definitely was getting off on this power trip.

I just can't believe the mom got in on it too. At least she showed restraint and only did the punishment she promised. (not talking about her words)

Personally I would not have approached this situation anywhere close to the way these parents handled it.

I know my dad was whipped and belted as a child and i know how messed up he was from it, and i've seen how his brother turned out from the same thing, it actually caused massive mental issues to the point where he's unfit to work or be a normal person in society.

My dad always showed great remores if he even became close to the same levels of anger as he recieved and i wouldn't see my dad for 2 days because he would lock himself in his room at anger towards himself for even considering taking the same road his father took. (for the record, my father only ever spanked me a couple of times in my life) I fully believe he came close to beating me once when he picked me up with one hand and placed me down roughly on a wall. As soon as he did this, he saw what he was doing, stopped, turned around and walked away, he later apologized.

seeing the hurt in my fathers eyes and actions was enough to teach me respect, I saw the pain he felt when he felt himself slipping into his fathers shoes. It must have been something tearing him apart inside.

As a result I'm a very kind, gentle person who learns very quickly from mistakes (rare mistakes) I haven't had my parents angry at me since i was probably 11 years old. I punish myself before they even have the chance, If i do something wrong, i come right out and say it after or while fixing the problem.

I'm 29 years old, and i still won't swear in front of my parents, i think it's very disrespectful and find it extremely strange when i see friends do it.

When i have children, yes, I will spank them, I will ground them, I will remove access to those things which they love (ie xbox) as those are things that are earned. I will not go to the extreme of using a stick, a ruler, a belt, or any such instruments. I will tell my child, "if you do as i ask, the punishment will be less severe then if you contunue to disobey me (like the girl in the video) but that will be 2 spanks vs 5 spanks. I will teach my children to take responsibility for their actions as I was taught.

Telling your child they are worthless, is abuse.

[SpmnE9zero]

I agree with the former post for the most part.

I am torn between two different motives for the Mothers actions.

1) She is as much of a lunatic as the father and felt the need to punish the daughter in this manner as well.

Or

2) She has dealt with this in the past, designed a plan that will allow the daughter to escape with less pain and suffering than if she had left the situation alone. So she steps in, gets the daughter to turn over, and inflicts a minimal amount of pain vs the fathers much harder swing with hopes that the father is sufficed.

I am unsure what to think as I have this one video to conclude a viewpoint to stand by.

All I know is this family is wrecked!

[The1]

Originally Posted by SpmnE9zero

I agree with the former post for the most part.

I am torn between two different motives for the Mothers actions.

1) She is as much of a lunatic as the father and felt the need to punish the daughter in this manner as well.

Or

2) She has dealt with this in the past, designed a plan that will allow the daughter to escape with less pain and suffering than if she had left the situation alone. So she steps in, gets the daughter to turn over, and inflicts a minimal amount of pain vs the fathers much harder swing with hopes that the father is sufficed.

I am unsure what to think as I have this one video to conclude a viewpoint to stand by.

All I know is this family is wrecked!

all i know is there are 3 different people in the video, and therefore 3 different points of view to be had.

the girl could have easily rolled over and maybe gotten 2 or 3 smacks on the bottom as opposed to an entire 6 minute whoopin. However, past experiences may have told her that simply rolling over yeilded bad results and better to hold out as long as possible? At the same time, her refusal to roll over may have been an act in defiance solely to make the dad madder knowing that she had the video camera going. As seen in the video, it was obviously a setup, the camera wouldn't have been going if she didn't know the punishment was coming. So it is possible that it was encouraged in a way. And let's face it, some kids would do that on purpose.

as far as the mom goes, as you said, 1, could have been just as messed up as the dad (which i don't think was the case as it seemed to me she had the childs interests at heart and the result was a child that instantly rolled over for her and only one swing to the bottom, which on it's own was enough punishment for the daughter)

but on the other hand, the mom is talking crap to the daughter, and that could either be to convince husband she's serious when she's really just taking the belt from his hand. But all in all, she's still saying abusive things to the daughter.

as far as the dad goes, he just flew off the handle and was in the wrong no matter what light you see it in.



In the end all i know is that was was a skinny kid growing up and if my dad did that to me, i'd be all sorts of screwed up, however, I would vow to get bigger and beat the snot out of him once he stepped foot out of line just to prove a point, not to do any real damage, just so he knows what he did.

[- Paul -]

Originally Posted by The1

I accept a spanking, but this is much beyond necessity in my eyes (my own opinion) and for it to continue as long as it did is a bit ridiculous.

I feel like some people aren't seeing some of the things that are actually happening here. Yes the girl eventually turned over and got the spanking she was supposed to get, but then you see the dad upset that he didn't get a turn.... So he has to start all over again just so he can get a shot.... It's almost like it was pleasure to him.

Beating the child aside, let's pretend for a second we didn't see that happen, but only heard everything that was said. That's emotional abuse too, nothing constructive was going said, only attacks.

If your child is at the point where they have to address you as "sir" something is missing.

I'm not going to sit here and defend the daughter, but she could have made it easier on herself and just did as he asked right away and received a smaller punishment. But as others have said, maybe the past prevented her from feeling safe to do so.

there's disapline, then there's crossing a line into pleasure, and he definitely was getting off on this power trip.

I just can't believe the mom got in on it too. At least she showed restraint and only did the punishment she promised. (not talking about her words)

Personally I would not have approached this situation anywhere close to the way these parents handled it.

I know my dad was whipped and belted as a child and i know how messed up he was from it, and i've seen how his brother turned out from the same thing, it actually caused massive mental issues to the point where he's unfit to work or be a normal person in society.

My dad always showed great remores if he even became close to the same levels of anger as he recieved and i wouldn't see my dad for 2 days because he would lock himself in his room at anger towards himself for even considering taking the same road his father took. (for the record, my father only ever spanked me a couple of times in my life) I fully believe he came close to beating me once when he picked me up with one hand and placed me down roughly on a wall. As soon as he did this, he saw what he was doing, stopped, turned around and walked away, he later apologized.

seeing the hurt in my fathers eyes and actions was enough to teach me respect, I saw the pain he felt when he felt himself slipping into his fathers shoes. It must have been something tearing him apart inside.

As a result I'm a very kind, gentle person who learns very quickly from mistakes (rare mistakes) I haven't had my parents angry at me since i was probably 11 years old. I punish myself before they even have the chance, If i do something wrong, i come right out and say it after or while fixing the problem.

I'm 29 years old, and i still won't swear in front of my parents, i think it's very disrespectful and find it extremely strange when i see friends do it.

When i have children, yes, I will spank them, I will ground them, I will remove access to those things which they love (ie xbox) as those are things that are earned. I will not go to the extreme of using a stick, a ruler, a belt, or any such instruments. I will tell my child, "if you do as i ask, the punishment will be less severe then if you contunue to disobey me (like the girl in the video) but that will be 2 spanks vs 5 spanks. I will teach my children to take responsibility for their actions as I was taught.

Telling your child they are worthless, is abuse.

great post.

[The1]

Originally Posted by - Paul -

great post.

thanks

[number335]

Disconnect the internet. Take away her music. Find another non-violent method to dicipline her. She seems very articulate and forgiving in her interviews, so it's hard to imagine she was an out of control child.

The dad says there is another side to the story we haven't heard. Interested to hear what he says. He better have a good reason for torturing his daughter.

[SpmnE9zero]

Originally Posted by number335

Disconnect the internet. Take away her music. Find another non-violent method to dicipline her. She seems very articulate and forgiving in her interviews, so it's hard to imagine she was an out of control child.

The dad says there is another side to the story we haven't heard. Interested to hear what he says. He better have a good reason for torturing his daughter.

Sorry, there isnt a reason in the world to do what he did! His behavior will only drive the child to further misbehave as her resentment toward him grows.

[montreal red]

Originally Posted by chungdae

+1. I use to get the shit beat out of me and I actually thank my parents because of it.

Originally Posted by LACSTER

I feel bad that you had to grow up in that household! Regardless of the race that's just uncalled for.
Those parents deserve to burn in hell!

I have two kids of my own and would never even think of hurting them.

Fuck that i'm pissed now I hope the parents that do this shit die slow!

Originally Posted by just4kickz

agreed. i think it might be more common with immigrant families because that's how they were raised as well..

i used to get hit in the ass with a clothes hanger lol while kneeling on wood floors. then i had to sit in the corner on my knees for an hour haha. was not fun.

if they don't go overboard you turn out allright.

Originally Posted by hasi4x

Lol I know where your coming from! My parents gave me a few big ones and then I learned my lesson, but this shit just lasted too long!

Originally Posted by ryan970

yup, im asian i know what you mean

its considered child abuse in north america i guess but these things happen all the time in asia. i dont think i'll blame my parents for it. its just their way of disciplining kids. its probably why i always think twice before i rebel against my parents. i can imagine doing a lot more dumb shit if they didnt beat me.

heck, back when i was in elementary/middle school in asia, the teachers in school used to take a rattan cane to whoever disobeys in class or causes trouble. it wasnt almost an everyday occurrence.

anybody else from asia who had teachers who spanked kids? i mean if that were to happen in the US/canada, the teacher would probably get thrown into jail right away.

[number335]

It goes back to when Shaolin Masters would beat their students in order to learn martial arts.

[Javi335]

well ... hahahah.

In my times was very normal to get some belt medicine when you do it something wrong, i see im not the only one, and here we are

but not for download mp3 ...

[Javi335]

Originally Posted by montreal red

heck, back when i was in elementary/middle school in asia, the teachers in school used to take a rattan cane to whoever disobeys in class or causes trouble. it wasnt almost an everyday occurrence.

when my teacher caught me on some, he order me to put togheter all my fingers tips up, and hit me with a stick ten times ... zas zas zas zas ... it hurts sooooo bad

mmmm ... sweet memories

[Vastyle]

Wow, I had to stop watching at 3:22. What a fucking piece of shit!

[Augenbrauezug]

Originally Posted by Templar

I read closer into the thread and saw the confusion where the whole "punched in the face" bit came from. That was my bad.

Doesn't change my opinion though... Where is the line? None of us know what the results of this beating were. Was she physically harmed? Obviously... Was she bruised, broken bones, more long term damage? No idea... What you call "beating the living hell out of her" is different for everyone. Smacking in the rear end with a belt isn't getting the living hell beat out to a lot of people.

I think a lot of this is just provided for shock value. A lot of people also don't realize the length of time. The video in it's totality only runs for 7 minutes, which isn't all of the time showing her being beaten either. Because it is shocking, it makes it feel like it goes on forever...

I believe the punishment should fit the crime. I don't think it did in this case, and I do believe it was a bit excessive, which leads me to believe that this happened more than once. THAT is the real issue, not just this one event. Take into consideration the amount of times this probably happened, then we probably have a case for abuse.

When I was a kid, I got smacked in the ass a few times with a belt because I stole something from a store while I was out shopping with my parents. They found out when I got home, and smacked me for it. I never stole again, quickly learning it was wrong. That was the only time I was ever hit like that. Does that make my parents child abusers? I don't think so, but some of you probably will think so, also probably the same group that I think are kids on these forums and probably aren't the best people to ask for an opinion.

So what, she said this happened regularly. Someone shouldn't have to live through that.

Jesus, I'm a jerk but there are some real ass holes on this forum.