[toofasttooslow]

Originally Posted by TENCHI

I would be happy too if the US stayed out of other peoples business and allowed them to kill each other off and die of disease and famine.

as a proud marine once said....."kill them all and let God sort them out"

In some respects you're right. Obviously we can't go around killing everyone that's not American .Who would buy our over priced under achieving automobiles? But seriously, if our leadership is going to fuck things up, then they should do it in a big way. No more of this pussyfooting around -trying to avoid civillian casualties and being politically correct during wartime. If we go in-country for whatever reason, we need to kick ass and make them remember us; remember what it feels like to piss off the junkyard dog so that future generations will think twice about messing with us or our people. Otherwise we look like a bunch of bitches. And does Marsellus Wallice look like a bitch? I don't think so.

[Lex]

True True, now lets have a Bud.

[DFW_M]

Originally Posted by gum5h03

In some respects you're right. Obviously we can't go around killing everyone that's not American .Who would buy our over priced under achieving automobiles? But seriously, if our leadership is going to fuck things up, then they should do it in a big way. No more of this pussyfooting around -trying to avoid civillian casualties and being politically correct during wartime. If we go in-country for whatever reason, we need to kick ass and make them remember us; remember what it feels like to piss off the junkyard dog so that future generations will think twice about messing with us or our people. Otherwise we look like a bunch of bitches. And does Marsellus Wallice look like a bitch? I don't think so.

WOW, you're a total idiot to say something like this!
People over there have their lives and they are not responsible for having dictators rule their countries. Whenever we tried to enter it in a more diplomatic way (look at the fall of Milosevic in 2000 -- the USA simply paid the opposition instead of killing anyone) it worked fine.

Someone should be responsible for "our leaders fucking things up" in another country. DO you really think it is OK to mess it up, then turn around and just leave??? Look at Serbia after 1999 -- estimated almost $100B of damages, and we just turned around and left, after the witch called Albright promised all the help in the world to rebuild it if they get rid of the Evil...

The arrogance you're proposing will catch up with us one day, and we're far from being prepared for it...

[toofasttooslow]

Originally Posted by dr325i

People over there have their lives and they are not responsible for having dictators rule their countries.

Wrong!

Originally Posted by dr325i

Whenever we tried to enter it in a more diplomatic way (look at the fall of Milosevic in 2000 -- the USA simply paid the opposition instead of killing anyone) it worked fine.

Wrong!

Originally Posted by dr325i

Look at Serbia after 1999 -- estimated almost $100B of damages, and we just turned around and left, after the witch called Albright promised all the help in the world to rebuild it if they get rid of the Evil...

Strike three you're out.

I'm not going to indulge your retarded argument because the facts are out there, all one needs to do is a little homework before spouting off.

[NaTuReB0Y]

americans = north and south america

[Boooost]

Yea I think you mean USA.

[BK]

I read like two paragraphs before I scrolled down and realized this was going to be one hell of a long soliloquy with very little reward for sticking it out to the end. About halfway through, I was wishing I'd brought some snacks.

Anyway, I read the whole thing and my response is that we all have things we are afraid of or want to change in our lives. You can complain about them or you can try to address the problem. Complaining is easier, but is not at all constructive. Get involved in politics, support a cause, change hearts and minds. Getting on a website and insulting people isn't going to fix anything.

[DFW_M]

Originally Posted by gum5h03

Wrong!



Wrong!




Strike three you're out.

I'm not going to indulge your retarded argument because the facts are out there, all one needs to do is a little homework before spouting off.

Hey smart ass, I am from there, I lived there in those times and you're going to teach me about something you saw on the FOX news..

Moron...

[Lex]

Hey dr325, cursing & name calling kind of makes it look like you have lost your argument & your control over your emotions. Which by the way is typical of those with leftist ideaologies when you've lost an argument you name call.
Just admit it you love this country so much you havent left it because you know that our form of government with all its faults is still the best political system ever divised by man. Just admit you LOVE the USA.
Chant with me USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA!...

[DFW_M]

Originally Posted by Lex

Hey dr325, cursing & name calling kind of makes it look like you have lost your argument & your control over your emotions. Which by the way is typical of those with leftist ideaologies when you've lost an argument you name call.
Just admit it you love this country so much you havent left it because you know that our form of government with all its faults is still the best political system ever divised by man. Just admit you LOVE the USA.
Chant with me USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA!...

I do love the USA..people!
As for the US politics and Government -- unfortunately cannot say the same.

Our political system may be the best on paper, too bad it is not followed correctly and that the Constitution has been ignored many times... That is where the "scary" part comes in...

[GreekMaverick]

Originally Posted by Lex

Hey dr325, cursing & name calling kind of makes it look like you have lost your argument & your control over your emotions. Which by the way is typical of those with leftist ideaologies when you've lost an argument you name call.
Just admit it you love this country so much you havent left it because you know that our form of government with all its faults is still the best political system ever divised by man. Just admit you LOVE the USA.
Chant with me USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA!...

I found this on the internet, its a US Lieutenant serving @ Iraq, as the Web page insisted, here is his "USA CHANT SONG"

USA-Up with our way, USA-lets show them ALL how WE play, USA-Take them ALL out our way, USA-That's the way to play, USA-"F" them all, and run away.....!

Hmmmm....

[DFW_M]

Originally Posted by Lex

Hey dr325, cursing & name calling kind of makes it look like you have lost your argument & your control over your emotions. Which by the way is typical of those with leftist ideaologies when you've lost an argument you name call.
Just admit it you love this country so much you havent left it because you know that our form of government with all its faults is still the best political system ever divised by man. Just admit you LOVE the USA.
Chant with me USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA!...

As for the name calling -- a "smart ass" is really not all that.
As for the previous one -- I still believe a person is an Idiot for supporting such an arrogant idea...

But yes, I do agree, not appropriate way to do it.

He (gum5h03) is pointing to some "facts" that clearly do not exist and can be simply proven true the way I said:
1) People are not responsible for the dictatorship of their country as they are -- repressed, brainwashed and completely drained (examples: SR Yugoslavia (1999), N Korea, Iraq...). And all we do is impose some embargo on the country that works perfect for the dictator, not helping the other way.

2) Again, Milosevic may have been defeated in the War, but was still in the office, rulling the country. A simple diplomatic move got rid of him. A simple diplomatic move made N Koreans to rethink their Nuke development and so on. A cowboyism move in Iraq brought us (and them) where we are today...

3) The leaflets were dropped out of the airplanes that all they need to do is get rid of Milosevic and the USa will help them rebuild. Then, the admin change came and Bush was too busy with distroying another country...

[vshahv]

Dont be a Scared little boy ....... boo!

[GreekMaverick]

Originally Posted by vshahv

Dont be a Scared little boy ....... boo!

Seriously....i want my mommy...you knucklehead..j/k....

[toofasttooslow]

Originally Posted by dr325i

As for the name calling -- a "smart ass" is really not all that.
As for the previous one -- I still believe a person is an Idiot for supporting such an arrogant idea...

But yes, I do agree, not appropriate way to do it.

He (gum5h03) is pointing to some "facts" that clearly do not exist and can be simply proven true the way I said:
1) People are not responsible for the dictatorship of their country as they are -- repressed, brainwashed and completely drained (examples: SR Yugoslavia (1999), N Korea, Iraq...). And all we do is impose some embargo on the country that works perfect for the dictator, not helping the other way.

2) Again, Milosevic may have been defeated in the War, but was still in the office, rulling the country. A simple diplomatic move got rid of him. A simple diplomatic move made N Koreans to rethink their Nuke development and so on. A cowboyism move in Iraq brought us (and them) where we are today...

3) The leaflets were dropped out of the airplanes that all they need to do is get rid of Milosevic and the USa will help them rebuild. Then, the admin change came and Bush was too busy with distroying another country...

You're absolutely right. We should have not intervened in the first place and let the war crimes and slaughtering continue. Milosevic would still be in power, you would still be fighting and we would not be having this conversation. I'd be kissing the ground you walk on every day and thanking the US for stepping in at all. And as far as the facts go. Your perception of reality does not make it reality.

[toofasttooslow]

An incidently the ONLY reason we went in was because we had signifigant international pressure to do so -not because we're more humane or had a vested interest in a couple of fucked up Balkan states. Our intel had known about the butcher for years but we had done nothing because it was an internal civil war. Eventually we caved to the pressure and tried to help out. And what do we get? Sour, bitter people immigrating from there telling us how we only messed things up. It's a catch 22 - damned if we do, damned if we don't.

Oh BTW, the conflict WOULD have grown into a regional and possibly a world conflict had we not intervened when we did. So I'm sorry that your people think it was necessary to kill one another for religious and geo-political reasons, but stop harping on the US. If the US stayed out of everyone's business and let them kill each other eventually that turmoil would spread here -if there was anyone left to spread it.

[toofasttooslow]

Originally Posted by dr325i

I do love the USA..people!
As for the US politics and Government -- unfortunately cannot say the same.

Our political system may be the best on paper, too bad it is not followed correctly and that the Constitution has been ignored many times... That is where the "scary" part comes in...

You can't separate the people from their government. We are essentially one. We elect our own leaders and are ultimately accountable for their actions.

[GreekMaverick]

Originally Posted by gum5h03

You can't separate the people from their government. We are essentially one. We elect our own leaders and are ultimately accountable for their actions.

A leader is elected by the majority....not by ALL.....Keep the accountability of your leader to your self...No offense.

[Gort]

Originally Posted by GreekMaverick

...No offense.

Have you tried Yianni's in Ft. Pierce? I went there when I was at Dodger's camp and they had great food (souvlaki).

[Lex]

Originally Posted by gum5h03

An incidently the ONLY reason we went in was because we had signifigant international pressure to do so -not because we're more humane or had a vested interest in a couple of fucked up Balkan states. Our intel had known about the butcher for years but we had done nothing because it was an internal civil war. Eventually we caved to the pressure and tried to help out. And what do we get? Sour, bitter people immigrating from there telling us how we only messed things up. It's a catch 22 - damned if we do, damned if we don't.

Oh BTW, the conflict WOULD have grown into a regional and possibly a world conflict had we not intervened when we did. So I'm sorry that your people think it was necessary to kill one another for religious and geo-political reasons, but stop harping on the US. If the US stayed out of everyone's business and let them kill each other eventually that turmoil would spread here -if there was anyone left to spread it.

+1 +1 +1

[inabis]

it's funny, I've been reading this entire thing and, just as always, when it comes to politics and religion everyone gets all riled up. I personally am American born and raised here but originally am of Indian decent. I have had the opportunity to live in other countries and can, without a doubt, can say that America is truly the land of opportunity. I freakin love this place. If you have the will and desire to succeed you really can. I however, sympathize with what the OP was saying I just don't thing he worded it properly.

I believe that what he's trying to say is that the common American is changing. Most people, or maybe just the ones I have met, no longer want to educate themselves on domestic news or world problems; they are more concerned with what Paris Hilton is so doing rather than our govt and this leads to people higher up THINKING they can do whatever they want unchecked. Unfortunately, most ppl just take what they see in the news and/or what they read in one book as reality (Sean Penn as an earlier post claimed). NOT ALL PEOPLE are like this I’m sure, but the general feeling you get when talking to ppl is that they really don’t care. I love this country and democracy is great, but just like any other system it needs to be checked after a while. One person with bad intentions can screw everything up for everyone and in the end the people just end up pointing fingers. I’m not saying that Bush did this or that, or he was bad or good, I’m just saying that everyone needs to feel like “someone is watching them” in order for them to do the right thing when no one is around. For example, how many times have you stolen something if you think your parents are watching you? As far as I remember, the government watches over the ppl and the same ppl are also watching the government. Some where, some how, this system of checks and balances got lost. How do we fix this?

What I’m trying to say is that we as Americans need to be very weary of what we take in as “fact.” Just because it’s on the news or the internet does not mean it’s real. With people becoming more self absorbed, not checking the news and taking it all in as fact, I feel that there is a lot more hatred towards others different than yourself. Also, this is not only a "white" thing, I have seen this in communities of all races and creeds. And for all you ppl who are losing your mind and going crazy…..do drive your beemer…you’ll be surprised how easily your anger/frustration melts on the open road

[DFW_M]

Originally Posted by gum5h03

An incidently the ONLY reason we went in was because we had signifigant international pressure to do so -not because we're more humane or had a vested interest in a couple of fucked up Balkan states. Our intel had known about the butcher for years but we had done nothing because it was an internal civil war. Eventually we caved to the pressure and tried to help out. And what do we get? Sour, bitter people immigrating from there telling us how we only messed things up. It's a catch 22 - damned if we do, damned if we don't.

Oh BTW, the conflict WOULD have grown into a regional and possibly a world conflict had we not intervened when we did. So I'm sorry that your people think it was necessary to kill one another for religious and geo-political reasons, but stop harping on the US. If the US stayed out of everyone's business and let them kill each other eventually that turmoil would spread here -if there was anyone left to spread it.

WHAT PRESSURE???
It was not even approved by the Security Council???
We only had a push from Albanian lobbyists in this country. Research the facts first -- FOX is NOT going to teach you anything!

Also, as for slaughter and stuff -- it was only proven by the staged media show. Go back there now and see how great situation is created there and how safe and peachy it is now...

Youu have no idea what you're talking about. Same as for this damn Iraq war -- you only talk about what you see on the TV...not what is really happening...