[Higgs Boson]

Originally Posted by BGM-M3COMP

Finally someone with a brain.

Lots of wealthy people on the corvette forum with exotics, and they still have corvettes in their garage.

Some people just talk out of their asses i guess LOL

Let's be honest, for many people it's an Either/Or situation

not an And situation.

Not everyone has the luxury of a big garage and have to pick the one best thing for the parking spot.

The problem is, they end up not being able to see the car for its true merits and only how it ranks on a list of Ring times rather than the experience and occasion or existential meaning.

[BGM-M3COMP]

Originally Posted by Higgs Boson

Let's be honest, for many people it's an Either/Or situation

not an And situation.

Not everyone has the luxury of a big garage and have to pick the one best thing for the parking spot.

The problem is, they end up not being able to see the car for its true merits and only how it ranks on a list of Ring times rather than the experience and occasion or existential meaning.

Think of it this way.

There are a lot of "rich" people on the corvette forum. Maybe i was wrong about wealthy, because there's a difference lol.

But if you think about it. The people on the corvette forum with their fancy homes, and their porsche GT3 in the garage, maybe a bentley. There was someone with a 488? If they're on the corvette forum, obviously they either already have a corvette, or getting one. Which is my point.

Just because someone wants a C8Z, or hell someone bought a C7 ZR1 or C7Z, or building a 1000hp C6ZR, that does NOT always mean they can't afford something more expensive.

Saving all your pennies to get that one "IT" car, just to say you have bought that IT car, isn't impressive. If anything, it shows poor money management and/or poor decision making when car buying.

[Mike00]

Originally Posted by Higgs Boson

Let's be honest, for many people it's an Either/Or situation

not an And situation.

Not everyone has the luxury of a big garage and have to pick the one best thing for the parking spot.

The problem is, they end up not being able to see the car for its true merits and only how it ranks on a list of Ring times rather than the experience and occasion or existential meaning.

It’s hard for me to imagine anybody who is spending a $200k+ on a car not having at least a two car garage. Granted I’m sure it exists.

I have the Z06 in one side. I’m leaning towards a Porsche as the second car one day. And can always add a 3rd car garage on or lifts in the existing room.

[Donatello.]

Originally Posted by GhostyM

Word to the wise: If you have enough $$$ for a 300k car, you also have enough for a 125k car on top of that to park next to it. Income isn't really linear with regards to car purchases of that caliber.

In a lot of cases, sure, but I bet that's not true in 100% of them.

Also, not my point

[Donatello.]

Originally Posted by BGM-M3COMP

Saving all your pennies to get that one "IT" car, just to say you have bought that IT car, isn't impressive. If anything, it shows poor money management and/or poor decision making when car buying.

LOL WTF? Or maybe it shows drive & discipline to get the thing you really want after you busted your ass to get there?

To discount someone because they can't afford all the cars & busted their ass to get the 1 they want is ridiculous.

SMH

[Donatello.]

Originally Posted by Mike00

That’s you. My point was not everybody thinks that way. I wouldn’t buy a car at that price point until I was over 1.5 million in income annually, if then to be honest. I’d much rather build the passive income now. Even the last $80k car - which I paid cash for - I only did because of the fact manuals are passing more and more quickly. Otherwise I’d put it off for a few more years.

And to make it more blunt around justification I could walk out and buy that car in cash right now but frankly $300k invested at this stage of my young life brings me $900k in 15 years, and a fair amount of passive cash flow income between now and then and even more after the 15 years.

And the whole point is at end of day if I wanted to retire at 50 I could and not change my lifestyle.

Ultimately while you may be willing to spend the money not everybody is as willing to. It doesn’t exactly take a huge annual income to afford a 300k car if you are willing to mortgage some of your retirement.

Sounds like you are just here to brag.

Humility, it's a good thing...

[Mike00]

Originally Posted by Donatello.

Sounds like you are just here to brag.

Humility, it's a good thing...

Considering this thread and your posts - thats hilarious.

I didn’t say anything specific until you argued that the only reason people don’t buy a Ferrari is they can’t afford which is insane. That is patently false and as much as I love cars incredibly stupid in my opinion unless you are making a very large annual nut.

When you start talking about that type of expense - on a depreciating asset - there’s affordability and a 200k loan for 6 months is only $3,300 month so anybody with a $200k income can afford it easily enough. Doesn’t make it intelligent.

Affordability and price take a different meaning entirely when you start getting to certain level of ranges.

[BGM-M3COMP]

Originally Posted by Mike00

Considering this thread and your posts - thats hilarious.

I didn’t say anything specific until you argued that the only reason people don’t buy a Ferrari is they can’t afford which is insane. That is patently false and as much as I love cars incredibly stupid in my opinion unless you are making a very large annual nut.

When you start talking about that type of expense - on a depreciating asset - there’s affordability and a 200k loan for 6 months is only $3,300 month so anybody with a $200k income can afford it easily enough. Doesn’t make it intelligent.

Affordability and price take a different meaning entirely when you start getting to certain level of ranges.

He doesn't understand.

It's not just about buying a 10 year old ferrari. That's a great achievement. To own any "modern day" ferrari. Or if you're a wealthy car collector, you probably have 10 ferraris.

But to discredit a car makers long term goal, of designing one of the best mid engine cars with the most powerful NA V8 in production, just to call it a fake and that you rather buy a 10 year old ferrari instead? That makes absolutely zero sense.

If you ask me what would i rather have. The ferrari 458, thats over 10 years old, maybe with 20-30k miles, unknown history of the car and i don't mean the maintenance, i meant the abuse, no warranty, slower in performance, wear and tear on everything else in the car like interior, electrical etc.

OR, i can try out GM's first supercar. With a full warranty, a more modern, better engine (until we know more performance data), faster (until we know more performance data), equal in looks (yes seriously, maybe a slight edge to the C8Z as the 458 is already looking outdated) and that's cheaper. PLUS i can have other cars in my garage as well. Like an M3, my tesla, and another corvette.

I would absolutely choose the latter. Which is what i'm doing.

If i was rich, i'd have both cars, plus a lot more. But i'm not. I could get a 458. Even a 570s. But that would stretch my limit on cars. And i would probably just have my tesla and a 570s. I don't want to do that. I like variety.

Corvettes are the best at having your cake and eating it too. They are affordable reliable powerhouses that look good.

The C8Z is just the first time when it entered supercar territory, and the slight price bump reflects that.

I rather have 4-5 cars than 2 basically.

[Higgs Boson]

Originally Posted by BGM-M3COMP

I rather have 4-5 cars than 2 basically.

I agree.

[Donatello.]

Originally Posted by Mike00

Considering this thread and your posts - thats hilarious.

I didn’t say anything specific until you argued that the only reason people don’t buy a Ferrari is they can’t afford which is insane. That is patently false and as much as I love cars incredibly stupid in my opinion unless you are making a very large annual nut.

When you start talking about that type of expense - on a depreciating asset - there’s affordability and a 200k loan for 6 months is only $3,300 month so anybody with a $200k income can afford it easily enough. Doesn’t make it intelligent.

Affordability and price take a different meaning entirely when you start getting to certain level of ranges.

Keep putting words in my mouth

[Donatello.]

Originally Posted by BGM-M3COMP

I rather have 4-5 cars than 2 basically.

4-5 junk that may or not run/run right or 2 really nice awesome cars? I'll take the latter.

4-5 awesome cars that are good to go? We all car people here so no shit we'd take that option. Next dumb statement?

You keep talking about the $ you have so where are your 4-5 great cars?

[BGM-M3COMP]

Originally Posted by Donatello.

4-5 junk that may or not run/run right or 2 really nice awesome cars? I'll take the latter.

4-5 awesome cars that are good to go? We all car people here so no shit we'd take that option. Next dumb statement?

You keep talking about the $ you have so where are your 4-5 great cars?

Who's talking about money? You're trying to push this discussion towards that. You and the other yoyo keep talking about people buy corvettes because they can't get ferrari's. Who the fuck wants a 13 year old ferrari? I don't. And i can get one.

My C7Z is paid for. Look up the value. Still worth 50-60k. That's 50-60k directly into my pocket if i decide to sell.

Both my model 3 and M3 are 2022MY's. My C8 stingray and C8Z BOTH WILL ARRIVE in 2023.

So yeah, i rather have those 4 cars over a 13 year old ferrari.

Get your insecurities fixed dude.

[AlexFL]

Originally Posted by BGM-M3COMP

My C8 stingray and C8Z BOTH WILL ARRIVE in 2023.

Why tf do you need two C8? And you already have a C7Z. Sell me your C8Z allocation…

[Mike00]

Originally Posted by Donatello.

Keep putting words in my mouth

You did that with me. I just called out the BS when you suggested after my initial post that from a finance perspective you were wrong - well decided to shut ti down for real.

I really don’t care either way but hate poor finance acumen. It bugs me personally.

As for bragging. I don’t actually think thats really that much money / that rich. People with millions in income - different story. And even then it’s just money and all relevant.

I think some might call your hellcat bragging… All point of view / perception.

[BGM-M3COMP]

Originally Posted by AlexFL

Why tf do you need two C8? And you already have a C7Z. Sell me your C8Z allocation…

Why do people need multiple bmw’s?

[Cos270]

Can we please move on or lock this thread? My head is starting to hurt.

[G MONEY]

Originally Posted by BGM-M3COMP

Who's talking about money? You're trying to push this discussion towards that. You and the other yoyo keep talking about people buy corvettes because they can't get ferrari's. Who the fuck wants a 13 year old ferrari? I don't. And i can get one.

My C7Z is paid for. Look up the value. Still worth 50-60k. That's 50-60k directly into my pocket if i decide to sell.

Both my model 3 and M3 are 2022MY's. My C8 stingray and C8Z BOTH WILL ARRIVE in 2023.

So yeah, i rather have those 4 cars over a 13 year old ferrari.

Get your insecurities fixed dude.

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YES!!! Lock this fucking thread up!!!! Then the C8z nut swinging champ will have to find something else to blab about. 😂 Might have to take down some of the Dungeon and Dragon posters to fit more Vette porn on the walls😳🔫.

[Donatello.]

Originally Posted by BGM-M3COMP

Who's talking about money? You're trying to push this discussion towards that. You and the other yoyo keep talking about people buy corvettes because they can't get ferrari's. Who the fuck wants a 13 year old ferrari? I don't. And i can get one.

My C7Z is paid for. Look up the value. Still worth 50-60k. That's 50-60k directly into my pocket if i decide to sell.

Both my model 3 and M3 are 2022MY's. My C8 stingray and C8Z BOTH WILL ARRIVE in 2023.

So yeah, i rather have those 4 cars over a 13 year old ferrari.

Get your insecurities fixed dude.

I may have confused you with another poster that kept talking about his income, sorry.

I never said people buy Vettes b/c they cannot afford Ferrari, that was the other guy.

Yea, my Hellcat is "worth" what I paid when new too. This artificial market will settle at some point...

[BGM-M3COMP]

Originally Posted by Donatello.

I may have confused you with another poster that kept talking about his income, sorry.

I never said people buy Vettes b/c they cannot afford Ferrari, that was the other guy.

Yea, my Hellcat is "worth" what I paid when new too. This artificial market will settle at some point...

It’s all good. Listen I’m not trying to show off because I know there’s people here with lots more money. That wasn’t my point.

I’m saying a car that GM built that was a dream for so many decades to finally be a reality, to offer the general public their version of a Ferrari is remarkable.

It’s not only faster than it’s benchmark but it’s more powerful, sounds better and can be had for way cheaper with a full warranty. What isn’t appealing about that?

No one is saying the corvette is now americas Ferrari and people are dumb for buying Ferraris.

I’m saying that the car, for what it is, is a better buy. A bang for your buck. Car of the century value for performance.

That’s always been corvettes.

[Donatello.]

Originally Posted by BGM-M3COMP

It’s all good. Listen I’m not trying to show off because I know there’s people here with lots more money. That wasn’t my point.

I’m saying a car that GM built that was a dream for so many decades to finally be a reality, to offer the general public their version of a Ferrari is remarkable.

It’s not only faster than it’s benchmark but it’s more powerful, sounds better and can be had for way cheaper with a full warranty. What isn’t appealing about that?

No one is saying the corvette is now americas Ferrari and people are dumb for buying Ferraris.

I’m saying that the car, for what it is, is a better buy. A bang for your buck. Car of the century value for performance.

That’s always been corvettes.

We don't have any track times, etc yet so we don't know what it is faster or slower than today.

My main beef is Tadge/GM lied, on multiple occasions, about what pricing would be. Then they go & jack up all the option prices Porsche style and require you to get the $9k CCB if you want the now $10k high wing pkg etc. THat kind of crap should piss everyone off. Especially since we are still talking about a mass produced Chevy, not a GT3RS.

The ZTK option on the C7 ZR1, the pkg that gave you the high carbon wing, splitter, etc was $3k. Let that sink in.

[Higgs Boson]

Originally Posted by Donatello.

The ZTK option on the C7 ZR1, the pkg that gave you the high carbon wing, splitter, etc was $3k. Let that sink in.

Weren't carbon brakes standard on the ZR1? So the $8500+ charge was baked into the price already. So a wing and splitter for $3k not a full performance aero and suspension/brakes upgrade package.

[BGM-M3COMP]

Originally Posted by Donatello.

We don't have any track times, etc yet so we don't know what it is faster or slower than today.

My main beef is Tadge/GM lied, on multiple occasions, about what pricing would be. Then they go & jack up all the option prices Porsche style and require you to get the $9k CCB if you want the now $10k high wing pkg etc. THat kind of crap should piss everyone off. Especially since we are still talking about a mass produced Chevy, not a GT3RS.

The ZTK option on the C7 ZR1, the pkg that gave you the high carbon wing, splitter, etc was $3k. Let that sink in.

I agree. That’s why i said numerous times until we see more performance data this golden child of a car isn’t anything more than just a high performance variant of a high performance base car, which is the stingray.

If the numbers show otherwise, then that cements the car as gm’s first supercar in my opinion. The rumors about it and what we know so far makes it that. But until we see real world data, then it’s not true yet. That’s my whole point in this thread.

I don’t know if we can say tadge lied. All he said was that we should expect pricing to be in line with previous z06. But don’t forget that was 4MY’s ago and without knowing about the economy with the inflation. I do believe if it wasn’t for inflation the car would be around 92k. Or def under 100k as I said multiple times early in this thread. None of us predicting 106k msrp with options driving the car cost to 160k or so.

If gm knew this would cause this much back talk, then they obviously know something we don’t know yet. Maybe the car is a better contender than the c7zr which had a similar price tag when you option up.


You’re right this car isn’t a gt3rs but think about what makes that car special. Don’t look at the brand. Look at its capabilities. If the c8z can provide a similar experience for a cheaper price tag, even if it’s not by much, is still a bargain. Not many car makers are doing new v8’s anymore let alone an NA v8 of this magnitude. People are overlooking this.

This is the last of its kind. The final send off to one of the greatest zo6’s ever made. That means something to most people buying them. Track times are actually secondary to them.