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Wow. Anything remotely close to 2 minutes for a street car should be celebrated on VIR Full Course. That's a 3.3 mile long course with a great mix of turns at different speeds and is a fantastic test for cars with a good combination of handles and power. For a point of reference, a Dodge Viper GTS MK-V would do 1:57 and change there. That's a full aero race-car disguised as a street car on slick tires. Let that sink in, and have some perspective please. I suppose that if one were to be disappointed by a $60K street car can come within 3 seconds and change of the mighty Viper GTS, one can be disappointed by anything. Perspective, people.
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Ideally the engine should be right at the center of the car. Both cars may have 50/50, the one with the engine in the middle will be better than the car with the engine up front. |
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The benefit of 50/50 in a front engine car is that once underway, it behaves closer to a rear heavy car. There's a reason that FD RX7's were about the same balance as a Boxster although they clearly could have kept more weight on the nose if your science was factual. |
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50/50 W.D. is pretty much a ridiculous mantra spoken by many on car forums. Now I know some guys are adverse to hearing about sports cars and track numbers but if one broadens their horizons past individual feelings the vast majority of best sports cars are not all that close to 50/50. For example, The Porsche GT3, which no one with functioning gray matter would call a bad handling car sports has a WD of around 60:40 yet it’s called one of the premier handing street legal cars and the pinnacle of handling. We see members right on this forum pronounce proudly that their 128’s have 50:50 yet they are far from superb handling cars, and my 135i the same.
There are many other street legal cars that tear up tracks that don’t measure up to that magical balance, a lot more than do hit that ‘perfect balance’ mark. Not even F1 cars are 50:50. Yes there are many other factors that contribute to a sports cars handling prowess and 50:50 is far from the top of the list. Almost irrelevant other then pointless bragging rights on forums.
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Man, even my 78 year old dad stopped using that term years ago. Pretty much anything from the 993 forward is pretty tame. The 964 is another story. But that's a nearly 30 year span of the term not applying.
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No doubt they've been improving on it for sure. Nobody is arguing about 50/50 or 60/40. Anyway, as for the GT3, it's a good sport car not because the engine at the rear, but in spite of it. Having an engine either right in the front, or right at the rear end is probably not ideal. There's a million reasons why a car is a good sport car and the weight distribution is one part of the equation.
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It’s the GT2 that’s usually referred to as widow maker and I never said 50/50 was crap. Yes recent generations of Corvette dances right on the knifes edge of 50/50 but it’s not the most important factor to Corvette success on tracks. It’s the complete package that makes them perform very well. W.D. is down the list. But you know that’s what I said, you have to throw crap in there to put a dishonest spin on what I said. You should run for Congress.
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With respect to the C8 lap time on the VIR full course, I then looked up on the web the lap time on VIR full course but the only entry came up was the Viper ACR MKV, but it was driven by Ralph Gilles who is not a professional racer.
I then looked the Viper lap time at Laguna Seca driven by Pobst, and it was faster than the 720S, and only one second slower than the McLaren Senna. So comparing the C8 lap time at VIR full course driven by Pobst to the Viper may not be so accurate. I wished they could have used the same configuration by Car and Driver Lighting Laps so we have a larger sampling data to compare. Laguna Seca lap times driven by Pobst: https://fastestlaps.com/tracks/laguna-seca-post-1988 Viper ACR MKV - 1:28:65 911 GT2 RS - 1:28:30 McLaren Senna - 1:27:62 |
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A couple media outlets are now reporting the C8 did 7:28 at Nurburgring.
If true, only 1 sec off C7 Grand Sport equipped with stage 3 Z07 aero, carbon ceramics, and cup2 tires. Z51 C7 had time of 7:33. |
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