[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by LemonOne

E36 M3 came with 5-speed automatic, FYI.

In the US only, and that M3 was not a "real M3"

The "real" E36 M3 a 321hp engine and the automatic option was the SMG.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by Mo@BMWofFairfax

No, it's not.

I weighed my E46, E92 and F82 on the same corner balancing scales. My DCT F82 is ~130lb lighter than my DCT E92 was.

[The Automotive Enthusiast]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

I weighed my E46, E92 and F82 on the same corner balancing scales. My DCT F82 is ~130lb lighter than my DCT E92 was.

It depends how both cars were equipped.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by Mo@BMWofFairfax

It depends how both cars were equipped.

Pretty much the same: DCT, CF roof, premium sound, iDrive, 18" track wheels, extended leather, MPE.

[adc]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

I agree, however that strategy didn't work for DCT fans

Bwahahaha, can’t stop laughing.

Obviously they were praying to the wrong manual transmission god, and got punished.

Originally Posted by ssquared

I didn't realize the Euro reviews didn't appreciate the E36 handling...the US reviews ranked it very highly.

Drive one now 20 years later and compare the steering feel to most of the crap thats out there now and it makes you wonder why anyone would bother buying a new car.

Based purely on memory, I think I liked the E46 ZHP steering better than the E36 M3. Both provided much more feedback than the E90 or F80. And not one of these were in the same league with the old Boster I had, or the several 997 Porsches I drove.

Btw camber plates and a good alignment have done wonders for the F80’s steering feel.

Originally Posted by dkhm3

the f8x is severely under tired for WOT drag- first thing you do when you get one is to slap on wider rears. I have 295's rears and I live in So Cal, where it is usually nice and dry and the roads are decent. Drastically improved off the line traction.

The f8x throttle needs much more modulation and feathering than most cars I have driven, but if you have the patience to learn the technique, the M3 rewards you.

Agreed. It should have come with a 275/295 setup stock.

With proper throttle modulation it is reliable and rewarding even on stock tires in the rain on track.

[4everkidd]

Originally Posted by Mr Carrots

If they had been more aggressive with their HP figures I might actually care but bmw is starting to remind me of subaru (staying at 300 HP for a decade)

The M2 CS should be 500, the mperf should be 400, etc but instead they make tiny bumps and charge huge premiums for variants with locked down, crippled ECUs

Will never happen; BMW isn't going to give the little brother 500hp when the M4 GTS only produces "493hp"

These cars struggle putting down the power as is.

[Zeroblade]

So means we'll see the new M3 before X3M?

[kozzi]

Originally Posted by Zeroblade

So means we'll see the new M3 before X3M?

Nope.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by Zeroblade

So means we'll see the new M3 before X3M?

No, there is essentially no chance of that.

The X3M has been seen testing for months. It will probably debut sometime during the 2018-2019 auto show circuit. It is scheduled to start production by mid 2019 (if not sooner) and debut in the US as a 2020 model year vehicle.

A new M3 won't begin public testing until early next year at the earliest. Edit: I spoke too soon - spy pics were posted just an hour after I wrote this . But in any case, it is still far behind where the X3M is in the development cycle. Even if it does arrive on the market before the F32/F82 end production (which, as I said in my first post in this thread, would be unprecedented), it would still not come until early 2020 (as MY2021 in the US, most likely) at the earliest.

[RPiM5]

Since every damn ///M Car in the future will be going with a ZF8 transmission in the future anyway, except for the M3 and M4, I guess the only "///M" model I am looking forward to then is the 2022 BMW M440i Gran Coupe, M8 Gran Coupe aside of course.

[sgm.e90]

Anywhos, I hope the new M sounds better. Even the M2 sounds better than the M3/4

[sharocks]

Originally Posted by sgm.e90

Anywhos, I hope the new M sounds better. Even the M2 sounds better than the M3/4

It won't. But with Bluetooth in probably iDrive 8 you can pipe whatever sounds your heart desires!

If they can make the standard M3/4 sound like the current M4 GTS, maybe there is hope. But all this farty nonsense is ridiculous.

[Pazzo009]

///M is for ///Marketing

[///M4ster Yoda]

BMW = Bavarian Audi

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by ///M4ster Yoda

BMW = Bavarian Audi

But isn't Audi the Bavarian Audi? Their HQ is in Ingolstadt, Bavaria, Germany.

[///M4ster Yoda]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

But isn't Audi the Bavarian Audi? Their HQ is in Ingolstadt, Bavaria, Germany.

My bad. You're correct. I thought they were outside of Bavaria but they are not. I haven't owned an Audi in years


Either way. BMW is becoming Audi. That was my point. Not a good thing IMO.

[mose121]

A FWD BMW car. I thought the X1 FWD platform was a bad idea, and it was. A 1 series fwd car, yeah that's a terrible idea. And I don't care if they decide not to sell FWD variants in the states like they did with the X1. We're not idiots. We know they're fwd platforms, they drive like crap, and we can clearly see they think us dumb Americans won't even realize it if they only sell the FWD's in other markets. The current X1 is a really nice Lexus/Acura product, but a bad BMW.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by RPiM5

Since every damn ///M Car in the future will be going with a ZF8 transmission in the future anyway, except for the M3 and M4, I guess the only "///M" model I am looking forward to then is the 2022 BMW M440i Gran Coupe, M8 Gran Coupe aside of course.

Wait, I thought even the G8X M3/4 were getting the 17 speed ZF transmission?

Because extra gears for .000001 % better gas mileage really matters in a Motorsports Car...

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by adc

Bwahahaha, can’t stop laughing.

Obviously they were praying to the wrong manual transmission god, and got punished.



Based purely on memory, I think I liked the E46 ZHP steering better than the E36 M3. Both provided much more feedback than the E90 or F80. And not one of these were in the same league with the old Boster I had, or the several 997 Porsches I drove.

Btw camber plates and a good alignment have done wonders for the F80’s steering feel.



Agreed. It should have come with a 275/295 setup stock.

With proper throttle modulation it is reliable and rewarding even on stock tires in the rain on track.

on the transmission gods..

Agree on the steering.. E30 > E46 > E36...

I had a standard rack in my 91 E30 M3 and .. I put an E36 Z3 Rack in my 88 M3... that was the hot setup.

camber plates are a necessary for E9X , E82, and all F8X that have moderate to heavy track use

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by dkhm3

almost every high performance supercar/hypercar has a dct. it just isn't longitudinally mounted.

DCT is not going away bro.

it is for BMW, Teddy Brosevelt ..

Originally Posted by dkhm3

DCT is being phased out by bmw because the current longitudinally based getrag one is maxed out on torque, upgrading clutch packs and

software can only do so much and cannot compensate for a full warranty production. BMW is saving a buck because the zf is good enough. You see this in Audi as well as the new RS4/RS5 will be a torque converter auto vs the dct in the S3/RS3/TTRS. AMG just goes with their revised 9 speed torque converter.

I'm likely moving on to another brand for performance, if this is true. The DCT is a huge part of the driving joy I feel with the M3 vs the X5M.

nice knowing ya... but before you go... just remember that BMW was " saving a buck" by going to DCT in the first place
If you didn't know that already.. then your shock and awe at the fact they have stopped making DCTs in favor of a different cheaper option is very much appropriate.

The new M5 is an AT.... and there will be more to follow..

[dkhm3]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

it is for BMW

nice knowing ya... but before you go... just remember that BMW was " saving a buck" by going to DCT in the first place
If you didn't know that already.. then your shock and awe at the fact they have stopped making DCTs in favor of a different cheaper option is very much appropriate.

The new M5 is an AT.... and there will be more to follow..

My point was that they have reached maximum torque allowed on current dct tolerances and to develop a new dct would cost more money than mounting the same zf as the one found in the Hellcat.

What are you rambling on and on about?

[RPiM5]

I like the title of the autoweek article.

"The BMW M badge might get a lot less exclusive."

Pretty much sums it up for me.

http://autoweek.com/article/rumormil...less-exclusive