[zackday30]

Originally Posted by ragingclue

I think Montreal has a chance, but it's totally reliant on Halak. Do I think he can keep this torrid pace through the entire Stanley Cup run? I wouldn't bet on it, but I didn't think Osgood could either. And he did. I've been wrong plenty of times before, especially about the outcomes of hockey playoff series (and who hasn't), but I don't think I'd go as far as to say the Habs don't stand a chance.

It's good to see a Cinderella story develop, and you've got to root for them in this situation, doubly so because I'm sure every hockey fan is tired of hearing about Cindy. I'll admit, he's a damn good player, but I'm surprised Canadians themselves haven't found out who first tried comparing him to Gretzky.... I would think that would be grounds for a lynching....

I'm sorry but Sydney (not Cindy) is good for the sport. He is trying to help make this sport mainstream again. The league could use a few more Crosby type personalities in the locker room! He is a great role model which is hard to say about many athletes these days. And Canada should love him! After all, he did score the game winning goal in the Gold Medal game in Overtime! Is he as good as Gretsky? Debatable. I think Gretzky would have a little more trouble with the caliber of Athletes/Goaltenders in the league now compared to what they were twenty years ago and on.

[audiprotein]

Great Win by Hawks last night.

[BTM]

Originally Posted by audiprotein

Great Win by Hawks last night.

Definitely a relief...Kane's having a really good playoff career so far

[flyer333]

Come On Canucks!!!!

[ragingclue]

Originally Posted by zackday30

I'm sorry but Sydney (not Cindy) is good for the sport. He is trying to help make this sport mainstream again. The league could use a few more Crosby type personalities in the locker room! He is a great role model which is hard to say about many athletes these days. And Canada should love him! After all, he did score the game winning goal in the Gold Medal game in Overtime! Is he as good as Gretsky? Debatable. I think Gretzky would have a little more trouble with the caliber of Athletes/Goaltenders in the league now compared to what they were twenty years ago and on.

Oh no; it's Cindy to the rest of the league.

And the comparison with Gretzky is not "debateable". Gretzky was peerless, and Cindy can't even rise head-and-shoulders above Malkin, let alone blow every other NHL player away in the scoring race.

He's a great player, yes, but you speak like someone who wasn't around when Gretzky played. There was no comparison; there was no debate. For the vast majority of his career, there wasn't even anyone worth comparing to him after the season was over. Today, I can count on more than one hand candidates who can be debated as to whether or not they're better than Crosby.

[headlee103]

Originally Posted by ragingclue

Oh no; it's Cindy to the rest of the league.

And the comparison with Gretzky is not "debateable". Gretzky was peerless, and Cindy can't even rise head-and-shoulders above Malkin, let alone blow every other NHL player away in the scoring race.

He's a great player, yes, but you speak like someone who wasn't around when Gretzky played. There was no comparison; there was no debate. For the vast majority of his career, there wasn't even anyone worth comparing to him after the season was over. Today, I can count on more than one hand candidates who can be debated as to whether or not they're better than Crosby.

Your sig makes alot of sense now!!!

*My posts are subject to substantial margins of error.

[ragingclue]

Originally Posted by headlee103

Your sig makes alot of sense now!!!

*My posts are subject to substantial margins of error.

Haha.

Try to find an impartial non-Pittsburgh fan who will agree with you.

Get outside your bubble every once in a while. Crosby is nowhere near where Gretzky was. Obviously you weren't watching hockey in the '80s.

[BTM]

Just an interjection, but hockey today is not the same as it was in the 80s. It is more conducive to offense these days. I doubt a conversion factor is able to be accurately applied to equalize players stats between eras, but I'd be really surprised if Crosby on pace to post up better number than Gretsky's aggregate numbers, let alone the era discrepancies that exist

[ragingclue]

Originally Posted by BTM

Just an interjection, but hockey today is not the same as it was in the 80s. It is more conducive to offense these days. I doubt a conversion factor is able to be accurately applied to equalize players stats between eras, but I'd be really surprised if Crosby on pace to post up better number than Gretsky's aggregate numbers, let alone the era discrepancies that exist

Gretzky was obviously peerless. Crosby is obviously not.

I don't understand why anyone could compare Crosby to Gretzky. It's like comparing the Saturn V rocket development team to the guy who first found out you could light your farts on fire.

[BTM]

LOL well clearly not that extreme but I just take issue with those comparing sports between era's when rule changes and rule enforcement changes have obviously and quantifiably influenced player statistics...the fact is that Gretsky vs. Crosby at the same points of their careers Gretsky is still on pace to be the better player even before you factor in that hockey rule enforcement has adapted to favor more offense lately.

[zackday30]

Hey all I said was that it was debatable, and from the previous posts it seems to be. I'm not coming out and saying that he is better than Gretsky, I am saying that these were two very different eras of hockey. Both players are/were amazing to watch and very talented.

[ragingclue]

Originally Posted by BTM

LOL well clearly not that extreme but I just take issue with those comparing sports between era's when rule changes and rule enforcement changes have obviously and quantifiably influenced player statistics...the fact is that Gretsky vs. Crosby at the same points of their careers Gretsky is still on pace to be the better player even before you factor in that hockey rule enforcement has adapted to favor more offense lately.

You're right in the sense that you can't simply rely on comparison of statistics....

Gretzky was peerless. No one has ever risen above the sport of hockey like he has. It's debateable whether or not Crosby is even the best player on his team.

Also, the NHL is MARKETING Crosby. Gretzky didn't need that. The NHL is pushing Crosby as a product, forcing him to be the new face of hockey. Gretzky never needed that to be recognized as the hockey diety he was.

I don't have a whole lot of problems with Crosby, other than the fact that he can be a little whiny at times. It's not his fault he's the pawn in Butt Man's business venture. I do, however, have a big problem with the NHL and the way it's been run lately. Hopefully there won't be a lockout coming up. It would suck to have to start over from scratch. I'd like to get the league off of that SHIT channel Versus. They need to stop manipulating the game so much.

[BTM]

Originally Posted by ragingclue

You're right in the sense that you can't simply rely on comparison of statistics....

And even if you could simply compare stats, Gretsky is better, and even if you adjusted somehow to equalize stats between eras, you would only expect this to favor Gretsky. I can't believe this is even a debate...

I mean if he likes Crosby better than Gretsky that's a matter of personal preference, but to insinuate he's the better player...

[BTM]

Ahhh Hawks back on form last night

Really starting to look the the team that was dominating during the regular season pre Olympic break

[InsaneSkippy]

What amazing sportsmanship he displays as well!

[ragingclue]

Originally Posted by InsaneSkippy

What amazing sportsmanship he displays as well!

Yeah he's basically a giant vagina, but I blame the league for that more than any one player.... It's simply what they allow the players to get away with these days. Maybe if Buttman would actually make good on his promise to crack down on embellishment, people would stop crying and diving so much. But, when you're rewarded for it 90% of the time with a power play, the players aren't going to stop taking advantage of that (see San Jose's game plan).

Also, Buttman would probably concede to the KHL as the superior league before he'd ever acknowledge his golden son was a dive artist.

[Cyrax91]

Originally Posted by ragingclue

Yeah he's basically a giant vagina, but I blame the league for that more than any one player.... It's simply what they allow the players to get away with these days. Maybe if Buttman would actually make good on his promise to crack down on embellishment, people would stop crying and diving so much. But, when you're rewarded for it 90% of the time with a power play, the players aren't going to stop taking advantage of that (see San Jose's game plan).

Also, Buttman would probably concede to the KHL as the superior league before he'd ever acknowledge his golden son was a dive artist.

Its unbelievable the calls the Sharks have got in this series. I mean im guessing 40% of them were legit calls but come on. I mean they literally gave San Jose the series. And talk about turning points... did you see the penalty they called on Franzen for tripping? When it was actually him that took a stick to the face and was going down that caused the fall. That gave them a penalty when the Wings should have had a 4 minute power play.

Dont you think they should consider looking at the tape on plays like that to get the correct call? I mean its huge in the playoffs. Im not impressed with the refs at all in this years playoffs.

[ragingclue]

Originally Posted by dpavlakos91

Its unbelievable the calls the Sharks have got in this series. I mean im guessing 40% of them were legit calls but come on. I mean they literally gave San Jose the series. And talk about turning points... did you see the penalty they called on Franzen for tripping? When it was actually him that took a stick to the face and was going down that caused the fall. That gave them a penalty when the Wings should have had a 4 minute power play.

Dont you think they should consider looking at the tape on plays like that to get the correct call? I mean its huge in the playoffs. Im not impressed with the refs at all in this years playoffs.

Well let me preface this with the fact that the Sharks are playing better than the Red Wings and, given the age factor, the Sharks have the better roster.

That being said, the officiating has been terrible in the series. Franzen was high sticked by Sandincoochie and then Sandincoochie falls over.... And Franzen gets the penalty. Later on that power play, Sandincoochie does get clipped with a stick and hits the ice like someone shot him with a .50 cal from 3 feet away.... Sharks go on to score GWG on that 5 on 3....

I don't think you can successfully implement replay to review penalty calls. That would just screw with the game too much. What they need to do is actually crack down on sand-in-vaginaness, put the crying pussies in the box, stop rewarding the Nancys for diving....

Anyway, even without the officiating tilt, the Wings look like they could be down 3-0 based on 5-on-5 play alone. That being said, it would be much easier to stomach if there wasn't the added distraction of some really terrible calls (mostly on the Wings, but there have been some shitty calls against the Sharks too).

The officials need to revamp their training and policy to keep this epidemic under control. Pretty sad when you're a professional hockey player, over 6' / 200lbs, and you're acting like a complete vag every time someone gets close to you (this goes for everyone in the league, not singling one guy out).

[Cyrax91]

Originally Posted by ragingclue

Well let me preface this with the fact that the Sharks are playing better than the Red Wings and, given the age factor, the Sharks have the better roster.

That being said, the officiating has been terrible in the series. Franzen was high sticked by Sandincoochie and then Sandincoochie falls over.... And Franzen gets the penalty. Later on that power play, Sandincoochie does get clipped with a stick and hits the ice like someone shot him with a .50 cal from 3 feet away.... Sharks go on to score GWG on that 5 on 3....

I don't think you can successfully implement replay to review penalty calls. That would just screw with the game too much. What they need to do is actually crack down on sand-in-vaginaness, put the crying pussies in the box, stop rewarding the Nancys for diving....

Haha well put. I think it would mess with the game too much as well if it was too often, but when all the refs are looking at each other like what the F just happened I think it wouldn't hurt to take a 2 second look and get the right call.

And yes im so sick of these diving penalties.

Its just ridiculous its hard to watch I get so frustrated.

I hope the Wings can at least pull off one win in this series.

[GuyOh]

well i'm going to game 4 for tonight's game nucks vs hawks

[SpacE82]

^You are gonna wear your hawks jersey right? right???

[BTM]

Can't wait