[EfEightyM3]

Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes

Well, keep in mind that's not your run of the mill GT3, it's an RS, so it's def turned up a bit. I'm certain those porsche's are a bit underrated.

I agree, though I don't see the porsche NA cars as unerrated they just have lower drivetrain loses due to the rear rear layout.

[FriskyDingo]

The early standard C6Z's were not all that. A lot of power and low weight, but rather uncommunicative and ragged. A later Z07 Pkg car is several orders of magnitude better in the driving dynamics department.

[dgp]

Originally Posted by FriskyDingo

A standard GT-R is most definitely not faster on track than a GT3 RS, or even standard GT3. In an MT comparo, the GT-R NISMO was slower around a track than a Turbo S. And it's priced around 150K.

'13 GTR hit the ring in 7:19 (with their own driver- similar to Porsche's claims) which is a bit quicker than base GT3 and roughly in-line with GT3 RS. Nismo GTR hit 7:08 (with Track Attack Package)- without it would probably be somewhere in the teens- but still quicker than GT3 (or RS) Porsches. Porsche never gives you best performance for the money, but rather a good experience at a premium cost than both American and Japanese automakers. They will never be a benchmark for price/performance.

What test are you referring for MT? (GTR Nismo vs Turbo S) When they ran both at Laguna Seca (MT), GTR came on top by a tenth of a second. And when EVO ran both 991 Turbo S and 991 GT3 RS at Anglesey- they were dead even. We'll see how 991 GT3 RS will do at Laguna, but judging from other tests (similar lap times with Turbo S), it probably will not set any records. Where the GT3RS is setting records is in bubble price territory..which will eventually pop.

[EfEightyM3]

Originally Posted by dgp

'13 GTR hit the ring in 7:19 (with their own driver- similar to Porsche's claims) which is a bit quicker than base GT3 and roughly in-line with GT3 RS. Nismo GTR hit 7:08 (with Track Attack Package)- without it would probably be somewhere in the teens- but still quicker than GT3 (or RS) Porsches. Porsche never gives you best performance for the money, but rather a good experience at a premium cost than both American and Japanese automakers. They will never be a benchmark for price/performance.

What test are you referring for MT? (GTR Nismo vs Turbo S) When they ran both at Laguna Seca (MT), GTR came on top by a tenth of a second. And when EVO ran both 991 Turbo S and 991 GT3 RS at Anglesey- they were dead even. We'll see how 991 GT3 RS will do at Laguna, but judging from other tests (similar lap times with Turbo S), it probably will not set any records. Where the GT3RS is setting records is in bubble price territory..which will eventually pop.

With the low production numbers we will see. I have a friend who just sold two of his 3 GT3 RS' for 330k each.
As far as performance per dollar, nothing coming from outside the US will ever be part of that discussion.

[AW335TT]

Originally Posted by chillindrdude

I am guessing you follow speed limits ALL the time

Well Koenigsegg hasn't been able to post any laps since the speed limit, they will be going for the record once it is removed.

Everyone questioned the GT350R times, the Alfa Romeo Guilia times, etc because of the speed limit.. Yet believe the crazy ring times Porsche publishes for all its cars.. Without any videos (besides the 918)

Always so perfect.. 7:20 7:30

[mkoesel]

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