[Fundguy1]

Originally Posted by Cuz5150

Ha! Bravo for BMW of getting in the game feet first.
Competition makes things better and cheaper for the masses.
However, i wonder about the Tesla stock. It has been ballooning at an alarming rate $361 as of yesterday. Who's pumping money like that in to Tesla? Very shady stuff going on with this stock#.

Speculators. If you removed the name and just looked at the fundamentals of the stock its similar to the tech bubble stocks. Too many things have to go right to justify the price.
-sales of new car need to take off like wildfire with the general public with $2 a gallon gas prices working against them.
- the car needs to be on time
- the car needs to have all the issues sorted out
- their R&D needs to come up with something profitable
- competition from chevy, bmw, Nissan, Toyota, etc.
- the administration continuing to have me and other Americans help you pay for your car to fight global warming, with taxes and global warming on the chopping block and Musk arguing with Trump. Not a good thing.

All these things Tesla has had problems with so far with their current lineup. Too many potential issues for my comfort level.

Fun to ride for now but don't be caught without a chair when the music stops.

[JorgenM]

Originally Posted by alex2364

BMW needs to find a way to do firmware updates OTA like Tesla.

BMW already has:
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/bmw/990...r-new-bmw-cars

[ORIGIN M.]

Great then you both are idiots.

Tesla is the reason BMW is changing their way of thinking.

Tesla has a strong upper hand and their supercharger network is no exception.

Originally Posted by Saphirschwarz

Agreed

[ORIGIN M.]

Report back to us in 2 years.

Originally Posted by Fundguy1

The camry outsold the combined sales of
Tesla s
Tesla x
Chevy bolt
Chevy volt
Prius prime
Ford Fussion enrgi
Ford cmax enrgi
Nissan leaf

By over 4 to 1. Fun side show to watch but not a game changer.

[Fundguy1]

Originally Posted by ORIGIN M.

Report back to us in 2 years.

We will see. With the fake war on global warming called off, Trump pushing to grow our energy dropping fuel prices even more, subsidies in jeopardy making them economically bad, and the general public who is resistant to change with cheaper and more user friendly options, I don't see 2 years making a difference. They've been out for years with subsidies, higher prices, etc and still account for less than 1% of car sales.

[CalCarNut]

Originally Posted by IB M

Good for BMW. Tesla has a substantial lead in brand, technology and design when it comes to electrics. Porsche and BMW need to catch-up fast. Doubt GM or Ford can as electric does not appeal to their customer base.

What are you talking about? The Chevy Bolt is a major contender; range, price and features all exceed the Tesla 3. It goes 238miles on a charge vs (supposedly) the Tesla 3s 215. It's been named MotorTrend 2017 car of the year along with a bunch of other awards. As for Ford, their Fusion can go 600+ miles on a charge, further than every electric on the market now and later.

The i3 is a POS compared to the Bolt. Maybe this Electric 3 will change that.

[Bosozoku]

Originally Posted by Bbb34

500,000 pre-orders is a nice number but really considering numbers other manufacturers are selling Worldwide it's just a tiny "drop in the bucket".
...
Here are worldwide sales numbers for 2016. ...

You're comparing "worldwide car sales" (including gas / diesel / hybrid) with Tesla's electric-only sales.



GM, BMW, and every other electric car maker and wannabe-maker would kill for 500,000 pre-orders.

[Fundguy1]

The pre orders were done years ago and many weren't firm, many won't take delivery as tgeir economic situations have changed or they changed their mind waiting, etc. I'd guess 200k maybe of those deliver in first yr. Then sales drop.

[IB M]

Originally Posted by CalCarNut

What are you talking about? The Chevy Bolt is a major contender; range, price and features all exceed the Tesla 3. It goes 238miles on a charge vs (supposedly) the Tesla 3s 215. It's been named MotorTrend 2017 car of the year along with a bunch of other awards. As for Ford, their Fusion can go 600+ miles on a charge, further than every electric on the market now and later.

The i3 is a POS compared to the Bolt. Maybe this Electric 3 will change that.

Right the Bolt is a tech success. Point is Chevy people buy trucks, Camaros and cheap sedans and coupes for basic transportation. The Chevy Volt was a tech success too but they didn't sell well. There aren't thousands and thousands of pre-orders for the Bolt like the Tesla 3 car. You must capture the HEART and the mind.

[Fundguy1]

Originally Posted by IB M

Right the Bolt is a tech success. Point is Chevy people buy trucks, Camaros and cheap sedans and coupes for basic transportation. The Chevy Volt was a tech success too but they didn't sell well. There aren't thousands and thousands of pre-orders for the Bolt like the Tesla 3 car. You must capture the HEART and the mind.

That's the point. You'll need those chevy and ford people to convert to make it the success that's projected. Not happening.

[AudiA4]

It is interesting that the Americans (GM, Ford and Tesla) are leading in electric vehicle design, technology and even sales...specifically the Bolt and Model S/X (and coming 3).

[Fundguy1]

Originally Posted by AudiA4

It is interesting that the Americans (GM, Ford and Tesla) are leading in electric vehicle design, technology and even sales...specifically the Bolt and Model S/X (and coming 3).

This is curious but the prior admin was pushing it and since they take long term looks for building cars and Hillary was expected to win a couple years ago when they were designing they took the bet. Now let's see if they can get them out of the 1% of the market dumpster and sell them. It's gonna be a hard climb. What surprised me was Toyota betting early on hybrids. Honda tried it and failed but they lucked out having a green friendly pres to jack up gas prices and put out subsidies. Now those are everywhere but that's more understandable given they can still refuel on the fly and their best sales were when gas was over $4 a gallon.

[DCG]

About fucking time BMW!

That's what you should've done before the i3!

[mundo74]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

This is pure conjecture on my part, but from my point of view, the whole electric car thing is a massive farce from the perspective of helping the environment.

If you get your electricity from a power plant that burns coal, is there much difference between a Prius and an M3? Perhaps there is...but it doesn't seem very obvious to me.

Now if you're talking about hydrogen, which is the most abundant element in the universe and only produces water as it's being used as a fuel....well, that makes some sense. Of course the gas/oil companies don't want that, and the global network of fuel transportation and procurement would have to change, but utilizing a truly clean burning fuel should move that environmental needle much more effectively.

Electric cars feel like an enormous marketing exercise, nothing more.

hydrogen is an energy carrier (battery) and not a source. Its also a greater net energy loser than just charging a battery. So you won't be driving a H2 car soon if ever.

even if you use the dirtiest coal or oil to power 100% of the grid and then use to charge 100% of all vehicles you would pollute less due to efficiency. only 20% of that joule of oil makes it to the wheel in and ICE car. 60% of that same joule at the power plant becomes electricity and you end up with 40% at the wheel with and EV

[Fundguy1]

I'm not even worried about the farse of emmissions and wealth redistribution to 3rd world countries, i mean climate change. The batteries in the cars are the real pollutants. Heavy metal environmental disasters. That's where the real environmental damage is done.

[ORIGIN M.]

IF you say so.

These batteries will last about 7-10 years in the car itself then it can be used for power storage in places that need power at times when it is not available. Like on my garage wall. Ha.

Originally Posted by Fundguy1

...The batteries in the cars are the real pollutants. Heavy metal environmental disasters. That's where the real environmental damage is done.

[antzcrashing]

This will actually be the most anticipated car reveal for me from bmw in a long time (probably since 1M). I hope they do it well, a serious model 3 competitor would be great. Keep tesla honest. But i am not getting my hopes up because cars like the i3 and 330e have been so underwhelming, seems bmw just cant keep near-term profits out of the way of them making something revolutionary, hopefully this time will be different.

I think I would prefer a car like 330e but with significantly more range than 20 miles, it would have to be 60-120 miles for me to want it, would be more practical than a fully electric but who knows

[Fundguy1]

Originally Posted by ORIGIN M.

IF you say so.

These batteries will last about 7-10 years in the car itself then it can be used for power storage in places that need power at times when it is not available. Like on my garage wall. Ha.

It's not the disposal that's environmentally unfriendly, it's the creation. Why is everyone so stuck on the disposal? You can dispose of it much more easily and friendly than the manufacturing process.
https://www.wired.com/2016/03/teslas...t-green-think/

[RFGuy_KCCO]

Am I the only person left who has no desire for an all-electric car? I want my ICE and that's that.

[mjn77]

Originally Posted by BMWDude49120

Am I the only person left who has no desire for an all-electric car? I want my ICE and that's that.

You and my Dad!

He just rolls his eyes at the very thought of an EV!

[lilmacarony]

I agree with you on the Bolt--but not on the i3 being a POS....the only thing "bad" about it is the range compared to the Bolt...The i3 might not yet be a sales king, but the thought behind recyclability, production and end of life for a vehicle, nothing can touch an i3...It is a far more holistic thought to producing vehicles than just another EV....

I don't know if you have driven either one of these cars, but having owned a E92 and an F30, and driving all of the other models, I can tell you the i3 is a blast to drive... the space inside and cavernous, the ride is firm, and the visibility is fantastic...The interior quality is far beyond the current F3x vehicles as well. I have been on many drives with multiple BMW's...and they all cannot believe an EV can keep up with them....it just needs more range and more power...which is what will come with the LCI...

As for the Fusion....it is 600 miles per tank. It is just like the iPerformance cars. No EV has 600 miles yet. It only goes 20 miles in electric mode.

Originally Posted by CalCarNut

What are you talking about? The Chevy Bolt is a major contender; range, price and features all exceed the Tesla 3. It goes 238miles on a charge vs (supposedly) the Tesla 3s 215. It's been named MotorTrend 2017 car of the year along with a bunch of other awards. As for Ford, their Fusion can go 600+ miles on a charge, further than every electric on the market now and later.

The i3 is a POS compared to the Bolt. Maybe this Electric 3 will change that.

[JorgenM]

Originally Posted by AudiA4

It is interesting that the Americans (GM, Ford and Tesla) are leading in electric vehicle design, technology and even sales...

Ever heard of Nissan Leaf?
The #1 best selling EV world-wide and definitely not american