[KonigsTiger]

Originally Posted by Zinister

I'll take both, but If i had to choose one, it would be the ZR1.

For those that like the styling and badge above all, then just put the LS9 from the ZR1 in the Merc. Now you can look good (subjective) and be fast! lulz!!!!

Don't flame! The above statement was a complete joke! I would never basterdize either car.

Too bad some people can't get past the fact the the "Whee doggy, crack me open another brewski, I'm gonna watch JR. does some burnouts at Daytona", "white trash" chevy just basiclly blews the doors off of all of its compeditors. So those people bring up the "Well, its just not a Mercedes-Benz" "I have little windshield wipers that keep my headlights clean in a rainstorm".

Even if I preferred the ZR1 I would chose the Mercedes, then sell it and buy an ZR1 and a Porsche 911 GT2 and still have some change.

[gonzo]

Huh?

[Zinister]

Originally Posted by BMW-M-Mexico

Even if I preferred the ZR1 I would chose the Mercedes, then sell it and buy an ZR1 and a Porsche 911 GT2 and still have some change.

Touche

[TK-421]

Originally Posted by BMW-M-Mexico

Even if I preferred the ZR1 I would chose the Mercedes, then sell it and buy an ZR1 and a Porsche 911 GT2 and still have some change.

You're implying that all of the said cars are used, right? Because a brand new 997 GT2 would definitely cost more than the SL65 because of markups and options, which the Merc doesn't really have (pretty much comes fully loaded).

[KonigsTiger]

Originally Posted by news 4 u

You're implying that all of the said cars are used, right? Because a brand new 997 GT2 would definitely cost more than the SL65 because of markups and options, which the Merc doesn't really have (pretty much comes fully loaded).

Nop, not implying anything, Fact is GT2 lists for $191,500 with cc discs etc... and ZR1 is about $100,000, SL65 BL is about 300,000.

[nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn]

Well, now the ZR1 wins by default. The SL65 Black Series will NOT be coming to the USA.

[KonigsTiger]

Originally Posted by ferrari355fi

Well, now the ZR1 wins by default. The SL65 Black Series will NOT be coming to the USA.

Bahaha! Go figure. Though I never thought these were actually in competition with each other.

[TSM330i]

I just saw the new Top Gear and I thought we should bring this up again. They haven't tested a ZR1 yet, but it's been faster than the Z06 ever time it's been tested. The Z06 is faster than the SL65BS.
Car used Time (mins)
Gumpert Apollo 1.17.1
Ascari A10 1.17.3
Koenigsegg CCX (with Top Gear spoiler) 1.17.6
Pagani Zonda F Roadster 1.17.8
Caterham R500 1.17.9
Bugatti Veyron 1.18.3
Pagani Zonda F 1.18.4
Maserati MC12 1.18.9
Ferrari Enzo 1.19.0
Lamborghini LP670 SV 1.19.0
Ariel Atom 1.19.5
Lamborghini LP560 1.19.5
Ferrari Scuderia 1.19.7
Nissan GT-R 1.19.7
Lamborghini LP640 1.19.8
Porsche Carerra GT 1.19.8
Koenigsegg CCX 1.20.4
Ascari KZ1 1.20.7
Mercedes McLaren SLR 1.20.9
Ferrari 599GTB 1.21.2
Ford GT 1.21.9
Ferrari 360 CS 1.22.3
Porsche GT3 RS 1.22.3
Corvette Z06 1.22.4
Noble M15 1.22.5
Mercedes SL Black 1.23.0
Murcielago 1.23.7

[lyndon_h]

Originally Posted by BMW-M-Mexico

Bahaha! Go figure. Though I never thought these were actually in competition with each other.

As odd as it seems, they really are often cross shopped. When a guy is looking to spend a lot of money on a performance car, these 2 cars might be looked at. Just look at how many "should i get a 335 or a C6" threads pop up here.

[KonigsTiger]

No doubt the ZR1 is faster than the SL Black, its a much, much lighter car with a powerful engine and much better power to weight and probably better torsional rigidity since the Black was based off a vert chassis (this is entirely speculative on my behalf and realize this). Straight line above a certain high speed may be close when the Black´s torque comes in to its own, but its got to lug a humongous 771 pounds more than the ZR1. But, I don´t think people than buy an SL Black consider the ZR1 a competitor, they buy the Black because of exclusivity, looks, finishing, niceties, etc... Its really pointless to make a few seconds more or less on the Nurburgring as the vast majority of drivers will never ever drive these vehicles at the extreme, its all marketing.

Originally Posted by lyndon_h

As odd as it seems, they really are often cross shopped. When a guy is looking to spend a lot of money on a performance car, these 2 cars might be looked at. Just look at how many "should i get a 335 or a C6" threads pop up here.

Hahaha!! Very fair point. Happens every day as unbelievable as this comparison is. I suppose however that if you seek pure performance, it would have to be the ZR1 over the Black.

[vash_241987]

Soo why would you buy a 300k car if you main goal of buying it is TRYING to beat a car that cost way less? IMO if I had a choice between them for FREE, then it's obviously the Merc. you just don't see one everywhere, and yes the ZR1's maybe also be hard to find...but it's not like your average joe will know the difference unless he notices the badges or the window on the hood (which is a nice touch) Although the ZR1 would be the better DD.....but why would I want to DD a 300k

[KonigsTiger]

Originally Posted by vash_241987

Soo why would you buy a 300k car if you main goal of buying it is TRYING to beat a car that cost way less? IMO if I had a choice between them for FREE, then it's obviously the Merc. you just don't see one everywhere, and yes the ZR1's maybe also be hard to find...but it's not like your average joe will know the difference unless he notices the badges or the window on the hood (which is a nice touch) Although the ZR1 would be the better DD.....but why would I want to DD a 300k

If you can afford a $300K car, then I am sure you can afford some other vehicle for a DD.

[vash_241987]

Originally Posted by BMW-M-Mexico

If you can afford a $300K car, then I am sure you can afford some other vehicle for a DD.

eh...true....I'll take a GT-R thank you very much ....which reminds me, I've seen more GT-R here in C.C. Tx than I did in the SF Bay area maybe I wasn't looking harder

[KonigsTiger]

Originally Posted by vash_241987

eh...true....I'll take a GT-R thank you very much ....which reminds me, I've seen more GT-R here in C.C. Tx than I did in the SF Bay area maybe I wasn't looking harder

That is funny, maybe its because they like funny shapes in Tx. haha!

[RussRamz]

To be blunt and on topic...

The ZR-1 crushes the SL65 in every category except comfort. The SL65 Black series is equally unimpressive other than it's appearance which I have to say is bad-ass.

[KonigsTiger]

Originally Posted by RussRamz

To be blunt and on topic...

The ZR-1 crushes the SL65 in every category except comfort. The SL65 Black series is equally unimpressive other than it's appearance which I have to say is bad-ass.

Yep, I think this is an accurate description.

[vash_241987]

Originally Posted by BMW-M-Mexico

That is funny, maybe its because they lick funny shapes in Tx. haha!

Probley but seeing one in person was like I though I would see them everywhere in cali...but nope...just a bunch of prius's

[inmotion]

MB really dropped the ball on the SL65 BS. It is quite a looker, but it should be well under 4000lbs. This car has much torque and is very easy to drive, but the weight is a killer. It definitely does not feel like my CLK63 BS, albeit, my car is about 3800lbs.

[SantaPimp27]

Originally Posted by inmotion

MB really dropped the ball on the SL65 BS. It is quite a looker, but it should be well under 4000lbs. This car has much torque and is very easy to drive, but the weight is a killer. It definitely does not feel like my CLK63 BS, albeit, my car is about 3800lbs.

wow what do you do for a living? thats a pretty serious car list you got there

[vash_241987]

Alright...here is what Jeremy clarkson thinks about the SL65 AMG black.

[lyndon_h]

Originally Posted by vash_241987

Alright...here is what Jeremy clarkson thinks about the SL65 AMG black.

the turning radius part of the video (5:28) sums up my feelings about the SL65Black.

[KonigsTiger]

Originally Posted by vash_241987

Alright...here is what Jeremy clarkson thinks about the SL65 AMG black.

Wow, I just lost soooo much respect for the SL Black!!! Not good at all!