[Murf the Surf]

Originally Posted by Pheonix

The best way to deal with trolls is just ignore then. Don't feed them!

Agreed, I don't even look at his posts anymore and if his is the last post I don't even open the thread.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Murf the Surf

Agreed, I don't even look at his posts anymore and if his is the last post I don't even open the thread.

+1 after my last one with him.

[Pheonix]

Originally Posted by Murf the Surf

Agreed, I don't even look at his posts anymore and if his is the last post I don't even open the thread.

Funny, I do the same since I already knew there won't be any useful information from the post.

Back to the topic, I am on my 3 EV for DD (clocking over 110k miles) but opened mind enough to recognize EV only work for a small portion of the population.

[Murf the Surf]

Originally Posted by Pheonix

Funny, I do the same since I already knew there won't be any useful information from the post.

Back to the topic, I am on my 3 EV for DD (clocking over 110k miles) but opened mind enough to recognize EV only work for a small portion of the population.

I have nothing against EV or anything else for that matter, buy what works for you. My issue which I have stated numerous times boils down to a few things. EV's aren't for everyone so to force them on everyone is a losing proposition. The range, capacity and infrastructure are a long way from being able to accommodate a great deal of the population. Fix the battery/range issues, build power plants and get infrastructure in place before you force ICE out of the game. Oh, and let people decide what they want to drive. If EV's are the solution people will buy them without being forced.

[BGM-M3COMP]

Originally Posted by Z K

My friend had a Clarity and now a Mirai. We did a 1000 mile road trip and it worked great.

Hydrogen EV refuels like a gasoline car, it has a huge range advantage over Battery EV and hydrogen can be produced using eco friendly means... there's no disadvantage other than cost at this point. Adoption is slow outside of California but it can ramp up.

There’s no disadvantage other than cost?? Lmaooooooo

Yeah you clearly don’t know the downside to mass hydrogen transition.

Let the ev stuff take over dude. It’s ok. It’ll be fine.

2035 on the move!!!

[M5Rick]

oh oh the milk bowl clinked

[chad86tsi]

Originally Posted by BGM-M3COMP

There’s no disadvantage other than cost?? Lmaooooooo

Yeah you clearly don’t know the downside to mass hydrogen transition.

As if you understand anything about the physics or logistics of transition to 100% battery/EV propulsion?

[BGM-M3COMP]

Originally Posted by chad86tsi

As if you understand anything about the physics or logistics of transition to 100% battery/EV propulsion?

Don’t need to. What you’re seeing are the results to perfect planning.

2035 on the move!

[chad86tsi]

Originally Posted by BGM-M3COMP

Don’t need to. What you’re seeing are the results to perfect planning.

2035 on the move!

Do you clearly know the downside of Hydrogen-generated EVs?

[BGM-M3COMP]

Originally Posted by chad86tsi

Do you clearly know the downside of Hydrogen-generated EVs?

I do. But there’s no need to create a back and forth of 10 thread pages between you and I.

The short answer is, no it won’t work otherwise that would be implemented into the future plan, not ev.

Ev is here and will be the future in 2035. Move on already.

2035 on the move!

[chad86tsi]

Originally Posted by BGM-M3COMP

I do. But there’s no need to create a back and forth of 10 thread pages between you and I.

The short answer is, no it won’t work otherwise that would be implemented into the future plan, not ev.

Ev is here and will be the future in 2035. Move on already.

2035 on the move!

So you are a hydrogen propulsion expert, but not a battery/EV propulsion expert, and you endorse battery/EV propulsion as the solution? Fascinating.

The whole point of the thread is to go back and forth with ideas/concerns/solutions. Some of us are subject matter experts, some are just here to develop their own ideas, others, well...

Now we can pin you to the "Hydrogen solutions expert" group, and we can exclude you from the "battery/EV propulsion" and "power grid/delivery" expert list.

Your proof that hydrogen isn't the answer (and with you being a Hydrogen solutions expert) is that " otherwise that would be implemented into the future plan". AKA, "it's bad idea, or else we would already be doing it". Clearly perfect logic, I may borrow that later.

See? now we are making progress in the discussion...

[Cos270]

“If it were the best solution, we would be moving forward with it”

Does this guy live in the real world? Astoundingly naïve and arrogant.

[gonzo]

It's like trying to reason with a paper plate.

[BGM-M3COMP]

Originally Posted by chad86tsi

So you are a hydrogen propulsion expert, but not a battery/EV propulsion expert, and you endorse battery/EV propulsion as the solution? Fascinating.

The whole point of the thread is to go back and forth with ideas/concerns/solutions. Some of us are subject matter experts, some are just here to develop their own ideas, others, well...

Now we can pin you to the "Hydrogen solutions expert" group, and we can exclude you from the "battery/EV propulsion" and "power grid/delivery" expert list.

Your proof that hydrogen isn't the answer (and with you being a Hydrogen solutions expert) is that " otherwise that would be implemented into the future plan". AKA, "it's bad idea, or else we would already be doing it". Clearly perfect logic, I may borrow that later.

See? now we are making progress in the discussion...

Lmao read our previous back and forth way back early in the thread.

I don’t need to discuss what’s better or worse, or what will work and what won’t. You guys are already discussing it.

I’m saying, EV IS GOING TO HAPPEN NO MATTER HOW MUCH BITCHING EVERYONE IS DOING.

See? This is progress.

[BGM-M3COMP]

Originally Posted by gonzo

It's like trying to reason with a paper plate.

And I’m reading posts from a bunch of bloody ass tampons from their broken pussies.

Lmaooooo

[chad86tsi]

Originally Posted by BGM-M3COMP

Lmao read our previous back and forth way back early in the thread.

I don’t need to discuss what’s better or worse, or what will work and what won’t. You guys are already discussing it.

So you are just here to baselessly insult and add/project your "emotions"? Step back and let the men talk honey...

[chad86tsi]

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/a...114500321.html

Unfortunately, the carrot-and-stick approach hasn’t worked. To drive EV adoption higher, the government and auto industry need to resolve two key hurdles for ordinary consumers: cost and infrastructure.

Cost and charger conundrum
Roughly 80% of Americans name “costs” and the “availability of charging stations” as their EV biggest concerns. There are only 53,000 electric charging stations in the U.S. compared to 145,000 gas stations, according to the World Economic Forum. Charging an EV is substantially more time consuming, which explains why charging stations need to exceed gas stations for comparable availability.

Reliability ranks as another key issue. Drivers seldom have to worry about their local gas station being out of service – but one-fourth of charging stations tested by climate advocacy group Cool the Earth didn’t function.

Resolving these issues could take years, which means the Biden Administration’s target of 67% EV adoption is likely unrealistic. It also means gas-powered vehicles and fossil fuels are here to stay for the foreseeable future. The petroleum sector is under appreciated by many investors, which could create bargain opportunities.

[allinon72]

I don't see why automakers don't join together in a joint venture to create a universal charging network. They should have done so years ago instead of sitting on their hands and watching Tesla solve that problem for their product only. They all have billions invested in electric, there's not one manufacturer that doesn't have plans to go in that direction, and every company's success or failure relies on it. Methinks they are waiting for the gubment to do something, as usual.

[BGM-M3COMP]

Originally Posted by chad86tsi

So you are just here to baselessly insult and add/project your "emotions"? Step back and let the men talk honey...

Read the thread. Lots of insults were thrown around.

I would step back, when l actually can see real men talk.

All I see is bitching. From you know what type of people……

Lmaoooo

[chad86tsi]

Originally Posted by allinon72

I don't see why automakers don't join together in a joint venture to create a universal charging network. They all have billions invested in electric, there's not one manufacturer that doesn't have plans to go in that direction, and every company's success or failure relies on it. Methinks they are waiting for the gubment to do something, as usual.

I think it's the same reason they don't get involved in the gas/petroleum industry.

They should have done so years ago instead of sitting on their hands and watching Tesla solve that problem for their product only.

Tesla has created a proprietary system, I wouldn't call that a success for the industry, only a success for Tesla.

Remember: betamax was king for a while, it was even a superior product in many objective measures. Proprietary solutions have their limits in a free market.

Ford used to make their own rubber and steel, they stopped doing that long ago for a reason.

[allinon72]

Originally Posted by chad86tsi

I think it's the same reason they don't get involved in the gas/petroleum industry.



Tesla has created a proprietary system, I wouldn't call that a success for the industry, only a success for Tesla.

Remember: betamax was king for a while, it was even a superior product in many objective measures. Proprietary solutions have their limits in a free market.

Ford used to make their own rubber and steel, they stopped doing that long ago for a reason.

Didn't Tesla say they were looking into opening up their network to outside EVs? If Tesla is successful in running the whole charging network in the US, I think it's game over for other manufacturers, as that revenue will allow them to continue to maintain a margin gap over everyone else on EV production.

[MmmmmM2]

Things that make you go hmmmmmmm...

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/a...114500321.html