[TXSTYLE]

Woooow.... So sad. Senseless. Heartbreaking. And completely irresponsible.

When will people with firearms in their home learn, with CHILDREN around???

https://www.yahoo.com/news/toddler-s...153356890.html

Two toddlers were hospitalized in critical condition after a playmate accidentally shot them with a loaded gun at a daycare in the US state of Michigan.

Police in the Detroit suburb of Dearborn said the child managed to get a hold of a loaded gun on Wednesday inside a private home that functioned as a daycare.

The toddler fired either one or two shots that struck two children -- both three years old, according to US media which also reported that there were multiple guns inside the home.

"I'm not going to guess on what occurred in there, but obviously there were weapons in proximity to where kids are, and that's totally unacceptable to me," Dearborn Police Chief Ronald Haddad told reporters.

As many as 1.7 million American children live in homes with an unlocked, loaded gun, according to the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun violence, and the incident was the latest case of children being injured by unsecured firearms.

Nearly 1,300 children die and 5,790 are treated for gunshot wounds each year in the United States, according to a recent study published in the medical journal Pediatrics.

Michigan state law does not prohibit guns at child care facilities, television station WXYZ reported, but requires them to be unloaded and stored in a locked location away from children.

The home daycare was run by Samantha Eubanks, herself a mother of six who regularly took care of other children according to neighbors and family members.

Eubanks did not permit her husband Tim to keep weapons in their home, according to a woman identified by US media as her sister.

"She would always say don't you ever bring a gun in this house, it's not going to happen," Ashley Escobedo told assembled reporters at the scene.

The police chief told US media that the investigation was ongoing and charges were possible.

[infinitekidM2C]

A lot of stupid decisions had to have been made for this to happen. A LOT!

[Alfisti]

I'll be the first to say it and will no doubt hear it from the usual suspects but the rest of the civilised world looks at your guns laws and just shakes their fucking heads.

Yes, yes responsible gun owners etc etc etc etc but really, how many people are responsible?

Madness.

[Delta0311]

Wow just wow!!!

[infinitekidM2C]

Originally Posted by Alfisti

I'll be the first to say it and will no doubt hear it from the usual suspects but the rest of the civilised world looks at your guns laws and just shakes their fucking heads.

Yes, yes responsible gun owners etc etc etc etc but really, how many people are responsible?

Madness.

People do dumb shit with all manner of stuff; leaving candy looking detergent within reach of kids, drugs within reach of kids, dangerous tools and chemicals. Also firearms should not be loaded and should be stored away out of kids' reach. The real problem is the dumbass who didn't do any of that. This person should lose his gun rights for life.

[davis449]

Originally Posted by Alfisti

I'll be the first to say it and will no doubt hear it from the usual suspects but the rest of the civilised world looks at your guns laws and just shakes their fucking heads.

Yes, yes responsible gun owners etc etc etc etc but really, how many people are responsible?

Madness.

I'll be the first to say it, people like you rarely research facts before making blanket statements\claims like yours:

2014 CDC Sourced Data:

All injury deaths
Number of deaths: 199,752
Deaths per 100,000 population: 62.6

All poisoning deaths
Number of deaths: 51,966
Deaths per 100,000 population: 16.3

Motor vehicle traffic deaths
Number of deaths: 33,736
Deaths per 100,000 population: 10.6

All firearm deaths
Number of deaths: 33,594
Deaths per 100,000 population: 10.5

All unintentional injury deaths
Number of deaths: 135,928
Deaths per 100,000 population: 42.6

Cause of death rank: 4
Unintentional fall deaths
Number of deaths: 31,959
Deaths per 100,000 population: 10.0

Motor vehicle traffic deaths
Number of deaths: 33,736
Deaths per 100,000 population: 10.6

Unintentional poisoning deaths
Number of deaths: 42,032
Deaths per 100,000 population: 13.2

Childrens Hospital of Philadelphia Research:

There are more than 350 million guns in circulation in the United States — approximately 113 guns for every 100 people.

1.7 million children live with unlocked, loaded guns - 1 out of 3 homes with kids have guns.

In 2014, 2,549 children (age 0 to 19 years) died by gunshot and an additional 13,576 were injured.

There are ~74 Million children ages 0-17 in the United States.

Do the math, irresponsible people are just that...

[BOOF-M3]

Originally Posted by Alfisti

I'll be the first to say it and will no doubt hear it from the usual suspects but the rest of the civilised world looks at your guns laws and just shakes their fucking heads.

Yes, yes responsible gun owners etc etc etc etc but really, how many people are responsible?

Madness.

The rest of the civilized world? We are the world. This is the U.S.A. Home of the Dallas Cowboys, Apple pie and the brave. Life is an experiment, none of this has ever been done before, America certainly doesn't always get it right, but we are not followers of the rest of the civilized world, we lead it. If not, who knows who's thumb we would all be under. Terrible tragedy for those involved and for those reading what happened. But I'm certainly not about to condemn the constitution, our lawmakers or responsible people who don't leave firearms exposed.

[seedyrom]

Originally Posted by infinitekid2002

A lot of stupid decisions had to have been made for this to happen. A LOT!

Just one actually.

[infinitekidM2C]

Originally Posted by seedyrom

Just one actually.

I know where you're going with that, see my second post.

[TXSTYLE]

Licensed Gun owner here for over 2 decades. IMO... Gun laws are in fact, too lax here in the states. We all are entitled to our opinions. That is mine.

[infinitekidM2C]

Originally Posted by TXSTYLE

Licensed Gun owner here for over 2 decades. IMO... Gun laws are in fact, too lax here in the states. We all are entitled to our opinions. That is mine.

I can agree with this. I always thought there should be a in person exam just like a vehicle. Renew that bitch after a few years too.

[BimmerAg]

Originally Posted by TXSTYLE

Licensed Gun owner here for over 2 decades. IMO... Gun laws are in fact, too lax here in the states. We all are entitled to our opinions. That is mine.

I agree that some gun laws can be too lax, and that others are too strict. I'm honestly curious, what new gun laws would you like to see implemented (or repealed)?

Unfortunately, I'm not sure any new laws would have been able to prevent this tragedy

[TXSTYLE]

Originally Posted by BimmerAg

I agree that some gun laws can be too lax, and that others are too strict. I'm honestly curious, what new gun laws would you like to see implemented (or repealed)?

Unfortunately, I'm not sure any new laws would have been able to prevent this tragedy

Agreed that in this particular case, it probably would not have helped.

Unfortunately, there are no laws against "stupidity, ignorance, and lack of common sense".

I'd like regular competency tests or evaluations performed annually for starters. Guns are in fact a form of protection but they are also a form of deadly assault. Far too many unqualified humans around here who don't comprehend simple rules or consequences for their actions. Gun ownership to me should be a privilege more than a right.
I know some will always refer to the Constitutional Amendment. But the fact is, that was drawn up centuries ago. Weapons of today, technology, transportation, etc of today would be like Sci-fi back then! Laws and rules need to evolve with the times.

[TXSTYLE]

Originally Posted by infinitekid2002

I can agree with this. I always thought there should be a in person exam just like a vehicle. Renew that bitch after a few years too.

Annually!

[BimmerAg]

Originally Posted by TXSTYLE

Agreed that in this particular case, it probably would not have helped.

Unfortunately, there are no laws against "stupidity, ignorance, and lack of common sense".

I'd like regular competency tests or evaluations performed annually for starters. Guns are in fact a form of protection but they are also a form of deadly assault. Far too many unqualified humans around here who don't comprehend simple rules or consequences for their actions. Gun ownership to me should be a privilege more than a right.
I know some will always refer to the Constitutional Amendment. But the fact is, that was drawn up centuries ago. Weapons of today, technology, transportation, etc of today would be like Sci-fi back then! Laws and rules need to evolve with the times.

I can agree with competency tests, similar to those required for a concealed carry license. I think annual re-certification might be a bit much, but otherwise is probably a good idea. The only argument I would have against it is that it could be discriminatory towards poor people due to the cost. Hell, it was only recently that Texas reduced the price of a CHl license that used to cost over $200 + the cost of the course!

[kscarrol]

Originally Posted by TXSTYLE

Annually!

Don't own a hand gun but they can start this right after they start the annual in person driving exam/competency testing!!

[Mr Tonka]

Originally Posted by infinitekid2002

People do dumb shit with all manner of stuff; leaving candy looking detergent within reach of kids, drugs within reach of kids, dangerous tools and chemicals. Also firearms should not be loaded and should be stored away out of kids' reach. The real problem is the dumbass who didn't do any of that. This person should lose his gun license for life.

They should be charged with a minimum of assault with a deadly weapon for leaving the weapons accessible to anyone but himself and the adults who reside in that home.

This is serious shit and for all the people who haven't got a clue as to what the gun laws are that they shake their head to, this is what freedom looks like. However, this is also what idiocy looks like.

The fact that their aren't SERIOUS penalties for leaving your guns unlocked in some way shape or form is ridiculous. Those are the laws that need to be passed. Let you weapons fall into the hands of a criminal and get used in a crime, get charged with accessory to that crime. Let your weapons fall into the hands of a minor and become part of an "accident" where someone gets hurt, get criminally charged for the outcome. If the victim of the accident dies, get charged wth manslaughter, if they are only wounded, get charged with assault with a deadly weapon.

I'm on board for freedom of speech, freedom of religion and freedom to bear arms. But consequences follow all of those freedoms. You may not get thrown in jail for spouting some degrading garbage on a social media account, but your company may fire you over it. You're free to practice the religion of your choosing, but you might be surprised that even though your religion allows you to lock up your wife in the basement for a week that you'll likely be arrested for it. And the freedom to bear arms doesn't come without great responsibly and damn it, there is a way to make people be responsible without stupid laws of keeping ammo in one room, guns in another or keeping both at a designated location.

In my opinion, VERY stiff penalties for negligence needs to be instituted and NO PLEA deals allowed for these cases!

[1MOREMOD]

I have guns laying around also its kids that aren't allowed

[Mr Tonka]

Originally Posted by davis449

Do the math, irresponsible people are just that...

I agree with this. You can't legislate stupid out of the equation. That's why i feel like the one thing that can be done that doesn't affect responsible, law abiding citizens is introducing very stiff penalties for negligence that results in gun being used in a crime or accidental discharge by a minor.

It's too easy to erode the freedom of many due to the actions of a few. Throw the book at people who use guns in a crime. Mandatory sentencing and NO PLEA deals!! Throw the book at those who are negligent with their firearms. The WHOLE, DAMN, BOOK. I don't want someones kid being accidentally shot any more or less than i want to be accidentally shot by their kid. Keep the weapons secure at all times.

[Mr Tonka]

Originally Posted by 1MOREMOD

I have guns laying around also its kids that aren't allowed

I thought that way for a long time. I realized that if someone broke into my house and stole them, i'd be contributing to the argument of those who think we're not responsible enough to own guns.

[Flyingscotsman]

Jeez.. that's awful.. you guys in the US really need to get over "it's in the constitution " crap and try to find some way to get rid of all these guns.
More guns = more deaths
Less guns = less deaths
It's not rocket science.
I know it won't be easy, but something needs to be done

[The Chaddening]

Took about 5 posts to devolve into a gun control thread, color me surprised.