[Lightngsvt]

I think I've seen a few people that have/had Guilias, I'm wondering what you think of them? I just got a quote on an in-stock Guilia Veloce since I'm getting tired of waiting for my car to come in, they are offering $3k below MSRP (does that say something?). That puts a nearly $60k car close to the $600-range, quite a bit less than an M240, M340, etc.

Are they just Chryslers w/an Italian badge? Are they unreliable? Hows the drive?

[Red Bread]

Originally Posted by Lightngsvt

I think I've seen a few people that have/had Guilias, I'm wondering what you think of them? I just got a quote on an in-stock Guilia Veloce since I'm getting tired of waiting for my car to come in, they are offering $3k below MSRP (does that say something?). That puts a nearly $60k car close to the $600-range, quite a bit less than an M240, M340, etc.

Are they just Chryslers w/an Italian badge? Are they unreliable? Hows the drive?

Shouldn't a four cylinder car be less expensive than six cylinder BMW's? Seems like it would be more fair to compare it to the 230i and 330i.

[translux]

Originally Posted by Lightngsvt

Are they just Chryslers w/an Italian badge? Are they unreliable? Hows the drive?

No, yes, great.

[Lightngsvt]

I thought the Veloce was a V6?

I've never owned an Italian car. If it's going to be in the dealer every other week then it's not worth the hassle!

[Germanauto]

It's a very fun handling car but don't expect the power that an M240 would have. It's a 4 cyl with some lag down low but the turbos kick in around 2k RPM then she zooms. The Quadrifoglio has the Ferrari-derived V6 with 500+ hp, but it is RWD only and the reliability record on it is a gamble.

The Giorgio chassis is arguably the best of any 4-door car in the world. The way this car handles and steers is like nothing else. The steering ratio is super quick and makes any other car's steering feel lackluster. Decent riding too, it's stiff but not enough to beat you up over Michigan roads. The interior is nice enough, just try to get it in brown or red as the black interior is a bit drab. Unlike Maserati, I don't believe any of the interior fittings/switchgear are out of the Chrysler parts bin.

I'm only 10,000 miles in (in 6 months), and I drive it pretty hard (frequently in Dynamic mode), zero unplanned dealer visits so far. This car is not the most logical choice on paper as its long-term reliability record, interior fittings, tech, and dealership network are a generation behind more mass market competitors. But this car is the emotional and driver's choice in its segment. From the uniquely Italian styling and interior design, to the lightning quick steering ratio with genuine road feedback, communicative chassis, and uniqueness factor of driving something less common with a very Italian vibe; this car certainly has its own appeal.

By the way within the Alfa community there are two dealers that are known to be more aggressive with pricing: Alfa of Strongsville (Ohio) and Russell Westbrook Alfa (Los Angeles).

[Mach550]

I always thought this thing had a V8, was let down when I heard one take off at a light. 500 HP from a 3 liter V6 isn't bad though.

[Alfisti]

Originally Posted by Germanauto

It's a very fun handling car but don't expect the power that an M240 would have. It's a 4 cyl with some lag down low but the turbos kick in around 2k RPM then she zooms. The Quadrifoglio has the Ferrari-derived V6 with 500+ hp, but it is RWD only and the reliability record on it is a gamble.

The Giorgio chassis is arguably the best of any 4-door car in the world. The way this car handles and steers is like nothing else. The steering ratio is super quick and makes any other car's steering feel lackluster. Decent riding too, it's stiff but not enough to beat you up over Michigan roads. The interior is nice enough, just try to get it in brown or red as the black interior is a bit drab. Unlike Maserati, I don't believe any of the interior fittings/switchgear are out of the Chrysler parts bin.

I'm only 10,000 miles in (in 6 months), and I drive it pretty hard (frequently in Dynamic mode), zero unplanned dealer visits so far. This car is not the most logical choice on paper as its long-term reliability record, interior fittings, tech, and dealership network are a generation behind more mass market competitors. But this car is the emotional and driver's choice in its segment. From the uniquely Italian styling and interior design, to the lightning quick steering ratio with genuine road feedback, communicative chassis, and uniqueness factor of driving something less common with a very Italian vibe; this car certainly has its own appeal.

By the way within the Alfa community there are two dealers that are known to be more aggressive with pricing: Alfa of Strongsville (Ohio) and Russell Westbrook Alfa (Los Angeles).

This is a very good write up, we have the Stelvio, so a Giulia on stilts. The reliability thing REALLY is nothing to worry about, north american buyers are so damn conservative. Primary issues were electrical with the Ferrari V6, the base 2T is fine.

There is turbo lag though, using Dynamic helps but it is there, as stated once you get to about 2000RPM it goes like a cut snake, spritely little motor.

Interior wise, I have NEVER understood the criticism. They use knobs and buttons, you know, like we are always whining about as car guys. The screen is small but integrated. We have the Lusso so more luxury than sport so maybe that's why i feel our interior is fine vs the reputation?

[wtwo3]

Depending on which car you're coming from, the turbo lag will feel VERY severe, or you won't really mind it much. I daily an m340i which does a great job of minimizing turbo lag, and it's very quick, so when I test drove the Giulia 2T I was shocked at how much turbo lag it had. I kept checking to make sure it was in sport mode because of how severe the turbo lag felt compared to my m340i.

The handling though was really nice, it felt better than my m340i, steering feel was better. If you don't mind the severe dip in power and throttle response compared to an m340i/m240i, then the Giulia is a great choice. But it really should be compared to a 230i/330i. Alfa doesn't make an m240i/m340i competitor.

[strohw]

Originally Posted by Alfisti

Interior wise, I have NEVER understood the criticism. They use knobs and buttons, you know, like we are always whining about as car guys. The screen is small but integrated. We have the Lusso so more luxury than sport so maybe that's why i feel our interior is fine vs the reputation?

The 2018-2019 model interior and tech wasn't very impressive for the price they were charging. Both in the 4cyc and in the quads. They've made multiple changes since then that has brought up the quality of both of those to better match its asking price. But I do think those initial years are still influencing their rep a bit.

[wtwo3]

Originally Posted by Alfisti

Interior wise, I have NEVER understood the criticism. They use knobs and buttons, you know, like we are always whining about as car guys. The screen is small but integrated. We have the Lusso so more luxury than sport so maybe that's why i feel our interior is fine vs the reputation?

To be fair... you also think luxury SUVs drive similar to minivans

[strohw]

Originally Posted by Lightngsvt

I think I've seen a few people that have/had Guilias, I'm wondering what you think of them? I just got a quote on an in-stock Guilia Veloce since I'm getting tired of waiting for my car to come in, they are offering $3k below MSRP (does that say something?). That puts a nearly $60k car close to the $600-range, quite a bit less than an M240, M340, etc.

You'd have to show your numbers because nearly 60k and $600ish payment doesn't make sense. Alfa's have terrible residuals so their leases aren't impressive. I think a 36/10 on the model you listed is still around 50% residual or less. If you were buying on a 72m then the final price would have to be around 40k.

[SteveinArizona]

Alfa makes the four pot veloce and the ferrari like and based Quadrafoglia. The former is like a 330i and the latter like an M3.

The Veloce gets excellent reviews but with a reliability caveat. I had a neighbor (he just moved) who had several BMWs and an Alfa Giulia. I asked how he compared them. He said he preferred the way the Giulia drove. He got his from the local dealer (Fiat dealership) and said they had two Alfas for loaners. This was before the pandemic and parts shortages.

Compared to a 330i, it is very comparable and may be better if you can live with the reliability issues. But, IMHO, there is no comparison to a BMW with the six pot (340, 540, etc.).

[Germanauto]

Originally Posted by Alfisti

This is a very good write up, we have the Stelvio, so a Giulia on stilts. The reliability thing REALLY is nothing to worry about, north american buyers are so damn conservative. Primary issues were electrical with the Ferrari V6, the base 2T is fine.

There is turbo lag though, using Dynamic helps but it is there, as stated once you get to about 2000RPM it goes like a cut snake, spritely little motor.

Interior wise, I have NEVER understood the criticism. They use knobs and buttons, you know, like we are always whining about as car guys. The screen is small but integrated. We have the Lusso so more luxury than sport so maybe that's why i feel our interior is fine vs the reputation?

I waited for the refreshed model as I felt the interior from 2016-2019 felt a bit low-rent. The refreshed model is quite improved but I will say (after cross-shopping with the G20 330 M sport) that the Alfa's interior does feel a bit last-gen. The material choices are fine, the build quality is also fine, but it all feels more say 2017 than 2021.

It's a matter of personal taste though. I think the interior feels very Italian especially in the brown spec I got it in, and I adore the way the car drives, so overall I'm a happy camper.

[Alfisti]

We have a 2019 so the "old" interior, again I am dumbfounded by the loathing for it. Maybe because it is Lusso so top trim? Never sat in the base so I don't know what it is like.

This is ours....

[stein_325i]

Giulia's are excellent driving cars. A fantastic chassis, excellent steering, and great ride quality, definitely the most driver-oriented of its class. Reliability of the 2.0T models is not a big deal, have a friend with close to 80k miles on his Giulia Ti Sport and he's had no issues. The interiors are also plenty fine, and even can be optioned with Napa Leather door tops and seats which are typically reserved for E-Class/5er/A6 class of car.

[Lightngsvt]

FWIW, I drive a 2018 F30 340i ZHP w/MPPSK and 6MT. The car I had ordered and have been waiting for 3.5 months is a 2022 M240i that Im getting tired of waiting for.

Originally Posted by strohw

You'd have to show your numbers because nearly 60k and $600ish payment doesn't make sense. Alfa's have terrible residuals so their leases aren't impressive. I think a 36/10 on the model you listed is still around 50% residual or less. If you were buying on a 72m then the final price would have to be around 40k.

As I posted, these were "round" numbers for the sake of the post, and w/o looking at the figure, but here are the detailed numbers you asked for:

MSRP: $56,816 (OK, not $60k)
Discounted price: $53,647
OTD: $57,155.56
2yr/24k, $3895 DAS, $767/mo
3yr/36k, $3895 DAS, $725/mo (which is close to the $600's in my book)

[Germanauto]

Originally Posted by Lightngsvt

FWIW, I drive a 2018 F30 340i ZHP w/MPPSK and 6MT. The car I had ordered and have been waiting for 3.5 months is a 2022 M240i that Im getting tired of waiting for.




As I posted, these were "round" numbers for the sake of the post, and w/o looking at the figure, but here are the detailed numbers you asked for:

MSRP: $56,816 (OK, not $60k)
Discounted price: $53,647
OTD: $57,155.56
2yr/24k, $3895 DAS, $767/mo
3yr/36k, $3895 DAS, $725/mo (which is close to the $600's in my book)

That's like a 5% discount and a total rip off. After bothering one of my local dealers for a month they knocked off 12% for me. Of course different regions have different prices, but I would shop around. There's a guy on Leasehackr who is paying similar money for an M340xi.

[Lightngsvt]

Originally Posted by Germanauto

That's like a 5% discount and a total rip off. After bothering one of my local dealers for a month they knocked off 12% for me. Of course different regions have different prices, but I would shop around. There's a guy on Leasehackr who is paying similar money for an M340xi.

12% in this market?!? Thats insane. So basically these cars have no value is what you're saying? Im so used to BMW, etc who is "doing you a favor" selling at MSRP these days, 5% sounded like a lot.

I've looked at M340's at a few different dealers. The prices I've been given on $62-63k cars were $920 - 1050/mo. Now that is a ripoff! Thats why I took the M340 off of my list.

[Josh-PA]

Have you guys seen what goes into any kind of belt service?

[strohw]

Originally Posted by Josh-PA

Have you guys seen what goes into any kind of belt service?

I was under the impression only the quad models had a big tear down for their belt service.

[strohw]

Originally Posted by Lightngsvt

FWIW, I drive a 2018 F30 340i ZHP w/MPPSK and 6MT. The car I had ordered and have been waiting for 3.5 months is a 2022 M240i that Im getting tired of waiting for.




As I posted, these were "round" numbers for the sake of the post, and w/o looking at the figure, but here are the detailed numbers you asked for:

MSRP: $56,816 (OK, not $60k)
Discounted price: $53,647
OTD: $57,155.56
2yr/24k, $3895 DAS, $767/mo
3yr/36k, $3895 DAS, $725/mo (which is close to the $600's in my book)

I assumed when you said close to the 600s you meant 600ish. Keep in mind your payment is not 725/mo. Your leasing so the max you should be paying is 1st month + dealer fee + tax on first month ( since you're in MI) and maybe your acquisition fee. Your total DAS should be around 1300-1350 without acq. fee. They're charging you 3895 which means your likely putting 2500 towards cap cost reduction. Your actually monthly payment without reduction is 794 on a 36/12.

A 62K m340i has a residual of 57% and I think the MF is still around .001. You'd be looking at a 915-930/mo payment on a 36/12.

[Lightngsvt]

I'm paying $699 for my 2018, so $930 is just a step too far for an M340. I can get a new M3 with BMW select (balloon, not lease) for $990.