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Well... Well... Well!!!

A surprise update from Best Car Web suggests that this electrified offering will not sit alone at the throne of the Lexus F-Sport hierarchy. An insider well-versed with the future development of Gazoo Racing has hinted that an ICE-powered "LFA2" is being put together with a scheduled release date of 2025. This product has apparently been in development since before Toyota's expansive EV announcement. The publication already gave some details regarding this project but now it has some more information to share.

The insider states that the LFA2 will employ a twin-turbocharged 4.0-liter V8 utilizing electric-hybrid assistance to push a combined output of 700 horsepower.
The LFA2 will have a Lexus badge upfront but the Gazoo Racing insider says it will be the last conventional sportscar from Toyota. A price range of 25 to 30 million yen (approximately $217,000 to $260,000) has been bookmarked but we don't know how many will be built. Visually, we can expect it to look very similar to the electric LFA concept.

https://carbuzz.com/news/new-lexus-l...-twin-turbo-v8

[RM7]

Hey, it has a poop-hole!

You're never un-seeing that now!

[x622]

That just looks like a terrible render

I thought it was going to look like this?



which looks like





Also yes, it has a butthole. Nice.

[BGM-M3COMP]

So another limited production toyota "supercar" that looks terrible, and costs 200k+?

Sounds like the older LFA, and we all know the success that had lol.

Hey at least it's cheaper this time with a proper engine.

[Bimmersandmopars]

Originally Posted by BGM-M3COMP

So another limited production toyota "supercar" that looks terrible, and costs 200k+?

Sounds like the older LFA, and we all know the success that had lol.

Hey at least it's cheaper this time with a proper engine.

You do understand the original LFA is highly collectible?

You sure speak on alot you know nothing about.

[pikkagtr]

Originally Posted by Bimmersandmopars

You do understand the original LFA is highly collectible?

You sure speak on alot you know nothing about.

Fossilized dinosaur poop is also highly collectible
Just because it is highly collectible, doesn't mean it isn't poop

[Tacoma]

Originally Posted by RM7

Hey, it has a poop-hole!

You're never un-seeing that now!

Originally Posted by pikkagtr

Fossilized dinosaur poop is also highly collectible
Just because it is highly collectible, doesn't mean it isn't poop

WTF?? Wrong board. Please seek help.

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I'm not particularly keen on the exhaust setup.
I am keen on a 700hp Reliable, Supercar, that will surely be collectible.

[BGM-M3COMP]

Originally Posted by pikkagtr

Fossilized dinosaur poop is also highly collectible
Just because it is highly collectible, doesn't mean it isn't poop

The original LFA was a fucking failure and everyone knows it.

People jizz in their pants at the sound it makes, that's about it. It's ugly, it was incredibly expensive for a toyota product and it didn't sell. Of course it'll be a collectible when they didn't make any of them, and no one bought them. Just people who wanted to experience it, put 10 miles in 5 years, then sell lol.

This new LFA might be the same. But at least it has a V8.

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Originally Posted by BGM-M3COMP

The original LFA was a fucking failure and everyone knows it.

People jizz in their pants at the sound it makes, that's about it. It's ugly, it was incredibly expensive for a toyota product and it didn't sell. Of course it'll be a collectible when they didn't make any of them, and no one bought them. Just people who wanted to experience it, put 10 miles in 5 years, then sell lol.

This new LFA might be the same. But at least it has a V8.

It's also half the price of the original. So much more obtainable.

[NickyC]

So it's a front engine Huracan? Those yellow renders are a blatant rip off, all they did was move the badge down.

The silver one looks like a 720 in the front too hah.

[x622]

Originally Posted by BGM-M3COMP

The original LFA was a fucking failure and everyone knows it.

People jizz in their pants at the sound it makes, that's about it. It's ugly, it was incredibly expensive for a toyota product and it didn't sell. Of course it'll be a collectible when they didn't make any of them, and no one bought them. Just people who wanted to experience it, put 10 miles in 5 years, then sell lol.

This new LFA might be the same. But at least it has a V8.

Oh man you don't even know the half of it. The ownership process to get your hands on one of them was pants on head retarded too see below;

https://www.autoblog.com/2010/03/17/...-due-at-signi/

Originally Posted by Autoblog

The monthly lease payment on the Lexus LFA is $12.398.44. For 24 months. That's $297,562.56 worth of lease payments over two years, at the end of which you own nothing.

Of course, you can't just waltz into your local Lexus dealership with $12,398.44 and rocket waltz out in an LFA. Lexus has to actually select you to lease its (admittedly awesome) car. Once you're chosen, you've got 10 days to drop off a $10,000 deposit at your local Lexus dealer and submit to a credit check. We should mention that this will not be the only deposit and credit check Lexus requires.

Once your credit checks out, you then have to deposit an additional $50,000. To mini-recap, that's $60,000 down on a $375,000 car. Sounds reasonable (from a detached, algebraic ratio perspective) until you remember that you're not buying the car, just leasing it. All of this will be/is happening from March–June 2010

Take a look at this LFA on BAT right now for 1.15;
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/20...a-nurburgring/


I think your calls of it not being a collectable are a little misguided, as they followed the exact same approach that Ford did with the new GT and what other marques do to artificially constrain supply. The only material difference was that this was lease only so they could control who had what initially. It did nothing for smart people who just set it up under an entity which can be transferred (as most aren't personal vehicles) and that's what you saw. I will agree with you that they didn't sell well, but again that's because of the dealers. A lot of them were owned by franchise owners themselves. I can think of 4 alone here in Phoenix, one being the 1/1 Black Amethyst LFA;

https://www.motorauthority.com/news/...k-amethyst-lfa

Basically, owners of the Lexus dealers would buy them and just hold them at the dealer lot. The last LFA was sold in I think 2018 because again, they just artificially constrained supply. Not a bad move to allocate your capital really when you think about it. Write off all the lease payments, and your investment appreciates to 7-800-1M USD.

[BGM-M3COMP]

Originally Posted by x622

Oh man you don't even know the half of it. The ownership process to get your hands on one of them was pants on head retarded too see below;

https://www.autoblog.com/2010/03/17/...-due-at-signi/





Take a look at this LFA on BAT right now for 1.15;
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/20...a-nurburgring/


I think your calls of it not being a collectable are a little misguided, as they followed the exact same approach that Ford did with the new GT and what other marques do to artificially constrain supply. The only material difference was that this was lease only so they could control who had what initially. It did nothing for smart people who just set it up under an entity which can be transferred (as most aren't personal vehicles) and that's what you saw. I will agree with you that they didn't sell well, but again that's because of the dealers. A lot of them were owned by franchise owners themselves. I can think of 4 alone here in Phoenix, one being the 1/1 Black Amethyst LFA;

https://www.motorauthority.com/news/...k-amethyst-lfa

Basically, owners of the Lexus dealers would buy them and just hold them at the dealer lot. The last LFA was sold in I think 2018 because again, they just artificially constrained supply. Not a bad move to allocate your capital really when you think about it. Write off all the lease payments, and your investment appreciates to 7-800-1M USD.

The issue with a car like that, similar to the NSX is that it's difficult to justify writing a check for that amount, only to be driving home in a brand where they sell economy cars.

This is why something like the corvette has always been sought after. Imagine if they made the corvette 200k, which actually might happen with the final variant, the zora.

But imagine if they did that early on? Imagine if they debuted the C7 ZR1 with an MSRP of 210k. That is priced out of the typical corvette buyers market. Some corvette owners do have wealth so some will be able to attain it but GM targets their buyers in a way that the car will sell.

I don't know what toyota was thinking when they priced the original LFA. How much was it? 400k? Just because the car had an engine that sounded like an older F1 car? Who was really going to buy that? Buyers with pockets deep enough to write a check for that amount aren't looking at a "toyota supercar", they are willing to write checks for ACTUAL supercars.

Even with half the price for the new one, i still fail to see who they're trying to target? If the price is 250-260k or so, do people really think if a buyer is ready to buy their next toy and they have 250-300k to spend, you really think they're thinking about the new LFA? Especially with what GM has in store with the other C8 variants. People will be lining up for ZR1's and Zora's, not a toyota.

It's going to be a failure again. The only thing toyota can do is use this car for experiment purposes to gauge buyers and their target price points before they eventually eliminate this and go straight to EV. Target the plaid and the porsche taycan. That'll be smart.

This isn't IMO.

[x622]

Originally Posted by BGM-M3COMP

Buyers with pockets deep enough to write a check for that amount aren't looking at a "toyota supercar", they are willing to write checks for ACTUAL supercars.

Even with half the price for the new one, i still fail to see who they're trying to target? If the price is 250-260k or so, do people really think if a buyer is ready to buy their next toy and they have 250-300k to spend, you really think they're thinking about the new LFA? Especially with what GM has in store with the other C8 variants. People will be lining up for ZR1's and Zora's, not a toyota.

It's going to be a failure again. The only thing toyota can do is use this car for experiment purposes to gauge buyers and their target price points before they eventually eliminate this and go straight to EV. Target the plaid and the porsche taycan. That'll be smart.

This isn't IMO.

I don't think you have the right mindset to understand a buyer for one of these and I can state that because I'd be a potential buyer. Well provided it's not garbage. One of the things that you don't factor is someone who can afford to spend 2-300k on a car can likely afford to have multiple 2-300k cars, and quite frankly I've driven pretty much everything, I can go get a Lambo/r8 and TT it, but that's kinda played out are horrendous to drive around. Ferrari makes v6's now in this bracket so I'm out there. Mclaren has the 765LT but I hate dealing with mclaren dealers. I already have a 992 TTS on order, as well as a ZR1 allocation whenever that drops.

If they make it look cool, have a cool TTV8 engine and pair it with not horrible transmission and suspension design, I bet it'll be a riot. I don't have a whole lot of faith because most Japanese manufactures are purveyors of ancient platforms (GTR) or boring underperformers like the NSX. If it looks like the angry pepe I posted above and has a ZF transmission with a 3.13 final drive (ala RCF/ISF/GSF) I'm out. Might as well just get a M8C.

Oh god. Watch it actually be a Toyota M8C. I've cursed it.


Edit:

Nah can't be the M8 is too tall;

[Germanauto]

I thought it will be EV, nice to hear it could be ICE instead.

Anyhow, nothing from Lexus really interests me. They keep trying and trying yet nobody takes them seriously in the performance realm. I've autocrossed their V8 models but they are very boat-y.

[wtwo3]

I'm surprised by the comments on this thread. A lot of misguided and misinformed comments.

The original LFA was an absolute masterpiece. It didn't sell because of 2 reasons: 1) astronomically high price (and even at that price toyota lost money on every unit they sold) and 2) much like the comments in this thread, people at the time didn't understand it.

Look at any review of the LFA, and it's obvious that the experience it provides is legendary. There's a reason reviewers constantly cream their pants driving it or claim it to be the best car they've ever driven, and it's not just the sound alone (although the sound alone would do it for many). The fact that such a car was even built to begin with, considering things like budgets, is a miracle. We should all be so lucky to have it be in existence.

As for these 2 new LFAs being built... I don't know that they can capture the soul of the original (harder to do with a multi-purpose motor, compared to the original bespoke motor... and ESPECIALLY hard to do with an EV).

[BGM-M3COMP]

Originally Posted by Germanauto

I thought it will be EV, nice to hear it could be ICE instead.

Anyhow, nothing from Lexus really interests me. They keep trying and trying yet nobody takes them seriously in the performance realm. I've autocrossed their V8 models but they are very boat-y.

It would've been smart to bring it back as an EV, at a time where we're all shifting towards that evolution.

But to bring it back, with a V8, which is amazing, but a rumored price of 260k? For a toyota?

It'll be a failure. I hope i'm wrong because it is awesome they're bringing it back as with an ICE. The price point, like their original, is wrong and towards a market where those will be looking elsewhere when spending that money.

[nick3753]

LFA2 Release date 2025", so should be out by 2034 or so.

[wtwo3]

Originally Posted by Germanauto

I thought it will be EV, nice to hear it could be ICE instead.

Anyhow, nothing from Lexus really interests me. They keep trying and trying yet nobody takes them seriously in the performance realm. I've autocrossed their V8 models but they are very boat-y.

There are supposedly 2 coming. One will be EV and one will be ICE.

[GoneIn4Secs]

Render looks good to me! Just a lil too narrow from the back

[BGM-M3COMP]

Originally Posted by nick3753

LFA2 Release date 2025", so should be out by 2034 or so.

That actually does sound accurate.

Just in time where all car makers have shifted to EV's.

People driving around in 10 second EV DD's, and their weekend EV toys run 8s.

What a time to break out a 260k ICE toyota lol

[R N M]

Still waiting on LC-F with V8tt that was rumored for YEARS and then cancelled. Typical Lexus