[GoneIn4Secs]

Bet your a$$ is staying home isnt it??? Hahaha

[chicagob5]

Model Y was pretty good for being on all seasons in terms of traction. Battery % was depleting a bit faster than usual which is to be expected since the car will keep batteries at a certain temp for health - used about 4% more battery during our regular shopping route.

[RM7]

Seriously, people drive Teslas up here in Alaska. All winter. We got 4-5’ in just a couple days about two weeks ago. Much ado about nothing.

[FC4]

I can hear OP breathing through their mouth.

[pikkagtr]

Maybe we should ask the ~1 million people with out electricity during the winter storm

[RM7]

Originally Posted by pikkagtr

Maybe we should ask the ~1 million people with out electricity during the winter storm

Where you going to go while you are waiting for plows to clear it out the snow? If anything, with an EV, you could run critical stuff in your house from the battery. Really not a end of the world situation.

[H2O_Doc]

The pettiness of wanting EVs to fail...

[Murf the Surf]

Originally Posted by H2O_Doc

The pettiness of wanting EVs to fail...

There is some of that but I think the thrust of government to force this issue has created an us vs them situation that need not exist. This is not unlike a number of other issues that seem to fall down political lines.

The reality is, I suspect that many of the folks that you might put into the "anti" groups don't really care if some folks want to move to EV's or any other thing, but they resent having governments force them to adopt a technology or other thing they don't agree with or that might not suit their needs.

We are at a place when we can't question government without being labelled as "anti" something. For the life of me I don't know why we can't question the experts, because I think if we all take a step back and use some common sense we could agree that we aren't ready to fully switch to EV's for a good number of reasons, there might be a point in time when EV's are really the only viable option and by then maybe the tech has been ironed out so that everyones needs can be met with them. But from where I sit at 61 years of age I don't see that happening in my lifetime.

Happy Christmas. peace on earth.

[pikkagtr]

Originally Posted by H2O_Doc

The pettiness of wanting EVs to fail...

for something to fail.....first it must succeed

[pikkagtr]

Originally Posted by RM7

Where you going to go while you are waiting for plows to clear it out the snow? If anything, with an EV, you could run critical stuff in your house from the battery. Really not a end of the world situation.

Gas/diesel generators are FAR more efficient
Depending on where you live...not all roads are snowed in, but the power is OUT
I can take my gas guzzling 5mpg Gran Torino to the store and buy medication for my sick blind adopted paraplegic child with cancer and only one working ear

[chad86tsi]

Originally Posted by Murf the Surf

There is some of that but I think the thrust of government to force this issue has created an us vs them situation that need not exist. This is not unlike a number of other issues that seem to fall down political lines.

The reality is, I suspect that many of the folks that you might put into the "anti" groups don't really care if some folks want to move to EV's or any other thing, but they resent having governments force them to adopt a technology or other thing they don't agree with or that might not suit their needs.

We are at a place when we can't question government without being labelled as "anti" something. For the life of me I don't know why we can't question the experts, because I think if we all take a step back and use some common sense we could agree that we aren't ready to fully switch to EV's for a good number of reasons, there might be a point in time when EV's are really the only viable option and by then maybe the tech has been ironed out so that everyones needs can be met with them. But from where I sit at 61 years of age I don't see that happening in my lifetime.

Happy Christmas. peace on earth.

Remarkable reality : EV growth was already happening exponentially before the government decided to mandate things.

Was exponential growth not good enough that we had to get the government involved and to take away choice?

^ That might just have something to do with the "bad attitude" some have. For many, it's got nothing to do with not wanting to be green(er), nor to defiantly run on ICE till they die.

[Murf the Surf]

Originally Posted by chad86tsi

Remarkable reality : EV growth was already happening exponentially before the government decided to mandate things.

Was exponential growth not good enough that we had to get the government involved and to take away choice?

^ That might just have something to do with the "bad attitude" some have. For many, it's got nothing to do with not wanting to be green(er), nor to defiantly run on ICE till they die.

My wife and I are looking at making some changes to our home heating, has nothing to do with being green, it has to do with money and reliability. There are lots of factors that go into the decision making, and if the product is good the market will drive the change. The governments desire to force things makes no sense other than ego, they think they know best after demonstrating time and again they are incapable of accomplishing much of anything.

[Mason Hatcher]

Originally Posted by pikkagtr

Gas/diesel generators are FAR more efficient
Depending on where you live...not all roads are snowed in, but the power is OUT
I can take my gas guzzling 5mpg Gran Torino to the store and buy medication for my sick blind adopted paraplegic child with cancer and only one working ear

Until you run out of gas, just like the charge in those EVs.

This EV criticism is childish and uneducated. And I don't even own one.

[pikkagtr]

Originally Posted by Mason Hatcher

Until you run out of gas, just like the charge in those EVs.

This EV criticism is childish and uneducated. And I don't even own one.

How long can 2 5Gals of diesel on the shelf last ?
How long is your Tesla going to run you house for and how long will it take to charge it
Stop it...Get some help

[NeverL8]

Originally Posted by H2O_Doc

The pettiness of wanting EVs to fail...

This.

and lame!

[FC4]

Originally Posted by pikkagtr

for something to fail.....first it must succeed

Name the one car manufacturer worth more than every other car manufacturer combined.

[pikkagtr]

Originally Posted by FC4

Name the one car manufacturer worth more than every other car manufacturer combined.

what does that have to do with the fact that there are likely heaps of dead EVs in the power outage ?
Deflection much?

https://www.hotcars.com/most-valuabl...rands-in-2022/

NOT even close

[Mavus]

Originally Posted by FC4

Name the one car manufacturer worth more than every other car manufacturer combined.

right that pump n dump scammer with non existent autopilot that relied on cameras only while every other company is using radars due to fog and low visibility environment … well that changed quickly once the investigation started

nothing against those cars and new entrants but a lot of bs going on there and every educated person knows it

do you really think it's worth more than toyota while not being able to assemble a car correctly?

[M-technik-3]

It's an evolving technology. When the cost comes down and I feel comfortable with it to know the transportation world will not suddlenly change directions maybe then I will buy one. But for the Fed Gov't to mandate it, that is a giant pile of Bull Dung.


Lets enjoy the holiday with the ones we care about.

[wdb]

Originally Posted by pikkagtr

Maybe we should ask the ~1 million people with out electricity during the winter storm

Having been one of them up until a few hours ago, I have to agree with this. Sure, power outages are going to happen no matter what. But as a rural dweller I can tell you with absolute certainty that the wired infrastructure has gone straight into the toilet. It started with the big deregulation push in the Reagan years, when all the power companies were cut loose and stopped spending on maintenance. It's been the bare minimum since then. We essentially could not continue to live where we do without a reliable backup energy source. I keep hearing about infrastructure spending, but I sure don't see it around these parts.

Originally Posted by Murf the Surf

My wife and I are looking at making some changes to our home heating, has nothing to do with being green, it has to do with money and reliability. There are lots of factors that go into the decision making, and if the product is good the market will drive the change. The governments desire to force things makes no sense other than ego, they think they know best after demonstrating time and again they are incapable of accomplishing much of anything.

I remember when government mandated emissions controls on cars were first introduced. Cars got pretty crappy. People pissed and moaned. Then some smart folks in Japan started building efficient, clean running engines. The US companies continued to drag their feet and piss and moan and look for ways around it, and suffered in the marketplace for it. Fast forward to today, when we drive 500HP Corvettes that will get 30+ highway MPG and pollute less than a 1960's lawnmower. Moral: progress happens. Efficiency improves. The market responds.

Originally Posted by M-technik-3

It's an evolving technology. When the cost comes down and I feel comfortable with it to know the transportation world will not suddlenly change directions maybe then I will buy one. But for the Fed Gov't to mandate it, that is a giant pile of Bull Dung.

I'm not crazy about the big push towards EVs. I don't think they're all that great of a choice for a large part of America, and I definitely don't think the electrical grid in this country will support them. Will it support them by 2035? Who knows. That's a ways off. Like you, I can see where an EV would fit into my life but I'm not prepared to jump in just yet. Too many changes happening too quickly for me to drop big $ into an EV just yet.

Lets enjoy the holiday with the ones we care about.

Let's do.

[Mason Hatcher]

Originally Posted by pikkagtr

How long can 2 5Gals of diesel on the shelf last ?
How long is your Tesla going to run you house for and how long will it take to charge it
Stop it...Get some help

You are comparing diesel on a shelf to electricity in a vehicle? Comparison doesn't make sense.

Your suggestion for help is you projecting.

[pikkagtr]

Originally Posted by Mason Hatcher

You are comparing diesel on a shelf to electricity in a vehicle? Comparison doesn't make sense.

Your suggestion for help is you projecting.

I believe it is a fair comparison
Both are sources of energy storage
Ev battery in near freezing temps are known to be poor performance
And if left alone , will discharge over time
A diesel container with proper additive will last for years
Once the power grid goes out, I can pop it into my generator and get power out of it