[IMC123]

Hello everyone,

Could anyone share their experience with the 30e?

What are the advantages and disadvantages of the new hybrid model?

How much boot space is actually reduced with the hybrid configuration? From my observations, the majority of the space is lost beneath the cover.

How would you compare the driving comfort between the 20d and 30e? I will primarily be driving on highways during the summer months, while the winter will involve mostly city driving with a daily route of approximately 20 kilometers. This is why I am considering these two options.

[avi66]

Originally Posted by IMC123

Hello everyone,

Could anyone share their experience with the 30e?

What are the advantages and disadvantages of the new hybrid model?

How much boot space is actually reduced with the hybrid configuration? From my observations, the majority of the space is lost beneath the cover.

How would you compare the driving comfort between the 20d and 30e? I will primarily be driving on highways during the summer months, while the winter will involve mostly city driving with a daily route of approximately 20 kilometers. This is why I am considering these two options.

What is the cost difference for the 30e in your country compared to 20i/d ?

Do you intended to keep the car beyond new car warranty period, if so how long ?

Are there any tax advantages in your country for the 30e ?

Do you have any concern about current battery tech and fire risk ?

How is the cost of electricity and charger installation in your country, in addition to the charging network ?

Does your home run exclusively on electricity ?

In the UK the 30e M Sport cost around £9k more than a comparable 20i M Sport, it does lose some trunk space. £9k buys an awful lot of petrol or diesel, and that’s not considering the cost of a home charger, which can cost around £900 here, but does vary.

[Ravenous666]

Do you have your own house with parking space and access to a charger?

If so do you have a solar panel installation already and can use your own electricity? Croatia should have plenty of sun so using own solar power for charging the PHEV is perfect use case.

Otherwise as already mentioned the extra price is hard to compensate with fuel savings.

Trunk space is reduced by the PHEV battery by 110 liters. Also the trunk floor in the PHEV is not flat and rises from the bootlid to the backrest. Not perfect, but a huge improvement compared to the ugly step in the G01 PHEV. See pictures of G45 versions for comparison.





Stowage space below trunk floor is nearly nonexistend on the PHEV where the ICE versions can host a space saver spare tire or a lot of other stuff.

Driving dynamics of the PHEV is realy good and noticable better than the 20d. 0-100km/h is 6.2 vs. 7.7s

Pure electrical range is around 80km and a large improvement to the old G01 PHEV.

If towing is importand to you, the PHEV is reduced to a max 2t towing capability vs. the 2,5t of the 20d.

[IMC123]

1. Cost Difference: The 30e is cheaper than the 20i/d due to the high tax on diesel vehicles in my country.
2. Car Ownership Duration: I plan to keep the car for 5-10 years.
3. Charging Infrastructure: I currently live in a building without charging facilities and no option to install one. However, during the summer, I move to a house with a garage and a charger available. At my work i have a parking space with charger that costs 0.45 cents per kWh and there are couple of places in the city with free chargers (malls etc) but i do not know for how long will they stay free
4. Solar Panel Use: Unfortunately, I don’t have solar panels at either location, so I rely on the grid for charging.
5. Battery Concerns: I have no major concerns about current battery technology or fire risks.

[Ravenous666]

Your use case is not perfect for a PHEV, especially when you can't charge at home.

Depending on the distance you drive per day the PHEV needs to be charged several times a week and charging only in public is a big annoyance. A PHEV does not make much sense when uncharged as it will consume more gas than a ICE due to the higher weight.

If the price for a PHEV is lower due to local tax regulations it might be a good choice to buy a PHEV.

The cost per 100km fully electric vs Diesel might be the same or similar so you won't save anything over consumption. Brakes might last longer on the PHEV due to recuperation but maintenance costst will be slightly higher as special checks are required for the PHEV system in addition to the ICE costs.

If your daily trips are generally more or less short trips, a Diesel is also not the best idea with all the EGR and particle filter tech involved. Modern Diesel cars hate short trips.

[avi66]

Originally Posted by IMC123

1. Cost Difference: The 30e is cheaper than the 20i/d due to the high tax on diesel vehicles in my country.
2. Car Ownership Duration: I plan to keep the car for 5-10 years.
3. Charging Infrastructure: I currently live in a building without charging facilities and no option to install one. However, during the summer, I move to a house with a garage and a charger available. At my work i have a parking space with charger that costs 0.45 cents per kWh and there are couple of places in the city with free chargers (malls etc) but i do not know for how long will they stay free
4. Solar Panel Use: Unfortunately, I don’t have solar panels at either location, so I rely on the grid for charging.
5. Battery Concerns: I have no major concerns about current battery technology or fire risks.

Wow, we have £9k premium for the 30e M Sport compared to the same spec 20i petrol, despite petrol being massively taxed here, think 75% of a litre is tax, and new ICE cars have hefty VED tax.

Amazing how BMW has such a delta on pricing in Europe, unless your tax is £9k upfront on petrol/diesel.

Are you happy that the BMW or extended warranty covers all the major costs associated with the battery drive ? Often, there are expensive components that fall outside some longer “battery” warranties so worth double checking as 5-10 years lots can go wrong.

The ability to home charge would be a must for me, but it’s not always as cheap here if your home uses gas and electricity. The suppliers don’t offer a good deal on the gas or normal hours electric compared to other tariffs not aimed at mainly car charging.

We have a couple of diesel cars, and the older now 8 does many short trips without issue.

[IMC123]

Here we have additional 5-6k Euros additional Tax on Diesel and Petrol X3.

And you have a discount on that taxed based on the range that the car can go on electricity only. So the tax that you have to pay is 90% smaller because of 90km range of the X3.

[Sportstick]

The EV battery industry is working to find safer chemistries than the current leading lithium ion due to thermal runaway events. Reliable battery production, itself, is still being mastered. Some are working on materials to encase batteries that can contain the temperatures of combustion. Frequency is not high, but when it happens, it may be close to uncontainable. EV battery science is still in its early stages. I would wait for at least LFP (lithium ferrous phosphate) or solid state before leaving a pure ICE. I would also be wary of the comparisons of event frequency EV vs ICE. The data I've seen notes in the detail that it includes all ages of ICE vehicles vs EV, which are mostly newer, with many ICE in the comparison over 10 years of age when other factors can intercede.

https://www.ft.com/content/16662e1f-...4-a89582eb362e
https://www.carscoops.com/2024/10/st...fety-concerns/
https://www.autoevolution.com/news/2...fe-216613.html
https://insideevs.com/news/601702/bm...ery-fire-risk/

[IMC123]

Does anyone have photos and measurements of differences between boot space on the hybrid and ICE versions?

[Ravenous666]

I have postet Pictures above.

The difference is only the height of the floor. Width and depth of trunk is the same. But there is a slight bump in the floor on the PHEV on the right hand side for the fuel tank line.

Trunk space on the ICE is 110cx95x74cm WxDxH

Also on the PHEV there is no stowage compartment below the trunk floor.

[IMC123]

Hi,

I don’t know if its something wrong with my phone app but when I open the photos that you attached I only see back seats on both of the models

[avi66]

Originally Posted by IMC123

Hi,

I don’t know if its something wrong with my phone app but when I open the photos that you attached I only see back seats on both of the models

If you look at the base of the back seat where it meets the trunk floor, you can see the level of the raised floor relative to ICE only.