[thedean786]

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/...bes/index.html

[tl_boy]

court trials of these military offenders are a joke. what did that dog handler get, "90 days of hard labor," or something. They said they were going to look into what he would be doing for punishment. If a civilian sicked their dog on another person they would go to jail, not get community service.

[lumbergh]

It's funny how you don't post about the innocent marines being killed by IED's and the women running up to military personel with bombs strapped to them that are blown up by their insurgent husband's hiding with the trigger ready to kill innocent people.

Yet you feel the need to post the most critical perspective.

If there was murder they will pay for it but you're being pretty one sided.

It's also funny you don't talk about the innocent people that get their heads cut off either yet this is so interesting to you.

[thedean786]

First of all let me begin by stating once and for all I'm not a Saudi, I'm an American who happens to be a Muslim hence the little flag at the botton of my profile.

Second, I'm not discounting the fact that our troops are getting killed by insurgents and that innocent people are dying. But that does not excuse our military or the powers behind them from the very laws they choose to vehemently defend and choose to propogate throughout the world.

How does it make our country look when on one had we shout to the world that the only solution for a "civilized" middle east is to have democracy and justice. Yet we choose not to follow the very ideology we would like to see established in that part of the world?

I support our troops and the right our nation to defend itself against tyranny and any other threat it may face. But I do not support having our troops being used as pawns in someone sick political agenda or being used to propogate a foreign policy that is weak at best and ignores the very dynamics and values that make the middle east a very unique part of the world.

[BMW320i]

Originally Posted by thedean786

First of all let me begin by stating once and for all I'm not a Saudi, I'm an American who happens to be a Muslim hence the little flag at the botton of my profile.

Second, I'm not discounting the fact that our troops are getting killed by insurgents and that innocent people are dying. But that does not excuse our military or the powers behind them from the very laws they choose to vehemently defend and choose to propogate throughout the world.

How does it make our country look when on one had we shout to the world that the only solution for a "civilized" middle east is to have democracy and justice. Yet we choose not to follow the very ideology we would like to see established in that part of the world?

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well said...

[tl_boy]

"unique" is a nice way to put it. Public beheadings, honor killings, Sharia law, Wahabbism, polygamy for men only, separate laws for Muslims and Non Muslims (kaffirs), teaching that THEIR religion is the only religion worth anything.... the list goes on.

I'm against uneccessary violence and this particular war, but I find very little admirable or respectable about their values and dynamics.

Originally Posted by thedean786

First of all let me begin by stating once and for all I'm not a Saudi, I'm an American who happens to be a Muslim hence the little flag at the botton of my profile.

Second, I'm not discounting the fact that our troops are getting killed by insurgents and that innocent people are dying. But that does not excuse our military or the powers behind them from the very laws they choose to vehemently defend and choose to propogate throughout the world.

How does it make our country look when on one had we shout to the world that the only solution for a "civilized" middle east is to have democracy and justice. Yet we choose not to follow the very ideology we would like to see established in that part of the world?

I support our troops and the right our nation to defend itself against tyranny and any other threat it may face. But I do not support having our troops being used as pawns in someone sick political agenda or being used to propogate a foreign policy that is weak at best and ignores the very dynamics and values that make the middle east a very unique part of the world.

[pawarrant]

Can't you guys post your liberal thoughts on the moveon.org blog or the Friends of Nancy Pelosi chat room. Why do you have to insult those of us who love America on a BMW car site?

[lumbergh]

Originally Posted by pawarrant

Can't you guys post your liberal thoughts on the moveon.org blog or the Friends of Nancy Pelosi chat room. Why do you have to insult those of us who love America on a BMW car site?

[Robin_NL]

Originally Posted by lumbergh

[Robin_NL]

Originally Posted by tl_boy

"unique" is a nice way to put it. Public beheadings, honor killings, Sharia law, Wahabbism, polygamy for men only, separate laws for Muslims and Non Muslims (kaffirs), teaching that THEIR religion is the only religion worth anything.... the list goes on.

I'm against uneccessary violence and this particular war, but I find very little admirable or respectable about their values and dynamics.

couldn't agree more

I'm no racist, I 'respect' anyone who respects me etcetera blablabla. I live(or used to live) in one of the most tolerant countries in the world. But I'm sick of all that shit. Or just blame the US for anything? Yeah right.

Mind you I'm not a US citizen.

[gscone]

Originally Posted by lumbergh

It's also funny you don't talk about the innocent people that get their heads cut off either yet this is so interesting to you.

Co-sign you on that one.