[ska///235i]

S2000 type S
BMW 135i
Cayman S
370z
911 Carrera pdk

drivers race but I think the cayman's handling won this race

[OBI_agent]

Cool find......thanks for sharing....Even though best motoring videos are a little biased towards japanese brands, I still like them

[gshb]

its not bias i think. its basically whichever car is driven by tsuchiya is the one that wins. ive seen only a couple of races where he loses to other drivers and its usually because their car is undoubtedly superior to his.

[ska///235i]

I agree with you...
but the cayman S does have the best handling out of the 5 right?

Originally Posted by gshb

its not bias i think. its basically whichever car is driven by tsuchiya is the one that wins. ive seen only a couple of races where he loses to other drivers and its usually because their car is undoubtedly superior to his.

[Deda]

cool..thanks for sharing!

[Keiichi Tsuchiya]

It was a really good race. I enjoyed driving the Cayman S.

[Joonsup]

lol

[ska///235i]

ahahahaha...Keiichi san

[JHFW89225]

Originally Posted by gshb

its not bias i think. its basically whichever car is driven by tsuchiya is the one that wins. ive seen only a couple of races where he loses to other drivers and its usually because their car is undoubtedly superior to his.

haha its tsuchiya's motoring !

[Keiichi Tsuchiya]

Originally Posted by JoshuaWong1989

haha its tsuchiya's motoring !

Thank you!

[vortex_tuning]

Originally Posted by Keiichi Tsuchiya

It was a really good race. I enjoyed driving the Cayman S.

LOLZ
Clever!

[footie]

Originally Posted by Markoni

If by best you mean "easiest to drive fast", then yes. Otherwise, no.

I wouldn't say it's any easier than the 370Z to drive quickly, though the Cayman has so good of a chassis that it could cope with so much more than what it is given.

Originally Posted by GatorBlue371

No Way People....

The 911 was the best, than the Z, than the Cayman.

The only reason the Z/911 didnt beat the Cayman was because the BMW/Honda boxed them in for so long and gave the Cayman such a lead. Had the race gone on longer the 911 would have won followed by the 370z.

just look at the lap times. 911-370z-CaymanS-135i-S2000

The Cayman has a lot better chassis than the 997, even Walter Rohrl admits as much and the latest SportAuto testing prove as much. The humble Cayman S with PDK and LSD is as quick as the 60hp more and similarly equipped 997C2S.

Originally Posted by OBI_agent

Cool find......thanks for sharing....Even though best motoring videos are a little biased towards japanese brands, I still like them

So true and so obivous when you see supercar races that include the NSX-R, that thing is so out of it's depth now but always seems to put up a good fight. I wonder why?

[MVF4Rrider]

I swear the 135i driver was laughing as he plowed through every corner. For sure he was a moving speedbump for all the others. Unfortunately for the S2000, he just didn't have the power to get by as he was clearly faster through turns. If he managed to get by, he would have walked away just as the others did.

[vortex_tuning]

Originally Posted by footie

The Cayman has a lot better chassis than the 997, even Walter Rohrl admits as much and the latest SportAuto testing prove as much. The humble Cayman S with PDK and LSD is as quick as the 60hp more and similarly equipped 997C2S.

Completely agree. Mid-engine has much more handling pontential. But most 911 owners will use the prestige argument whenever cayman is compared with 911. "It's not a 911" they will say. In fact, Porsche has tried to kill the 911 many times in the past decades and never succeeded. It's simply a powerful icon to too many people. This time Cayman S has a real chance to dethrone the 911, although I'm not sure if they intend to do so. All it needs is a powerful engine.

[V1.47fan]

Originally Posted by vortex_tuning

Completely agree. Mid-engine has much more handling pontential. But most 911 owners will use the prestige argument whenever cayman is compared with 911. "It's not a 911" they will say. In fact, Porsche has tried to kill the 911 many times in the past decades and never succeeded. It's simply a powerful icon to too many people. This time Cayman S has a real chance to dethrone the 911, although I'm not sure if they intend to do so. All it needs is a powerful engine.

To get to the Porsche 911 GT3,you have to start with the 911. I'd be curious to know how ruf's powerful Cayman based car does against the GT3.
Killing the 911 means no 911 GT3,you don't become a racing icon just because 911 owners use "the prestige" argument.


You guys watched one video clip from youtube showing the Cayman winning a race without knowing the drivers skills and start reaching all kinds of conclusions.

How about some Nürburgring times for both cars,instead of speculating on here till the cows come home of the full potential of the cayman in theory a la footie?

[footie]

Originally Posted by V1.47fan

To get to the Porsche 911 GT3,you have to start with the 911. I'd be curious to know how ruf's powerful Cayman based car does against the GT3.
Killing the 911 means no 911 GT3,you don't become a racing icon just because 911 owners use "the prestige" argument.


You guys watched one video clip from youtube showing the Cayman winning a race without knowing the drivers skills and start reaching all kinds of conclusions.

How about some Nürburgring times for both cars,instead of speculating on here till the cows come home of the full potential of the cayman in theory a la footie?

You lack of knowledge is truly mind boggling, the ring is a power track and the only way for the Cayman S to compete with the 997C2S is to get the same power, but on tracks to demand handling above power then the Cayman shows which is the better. The Cayman has such a balanced chassis that it never feels out of control, something you can't level at the 997, you just don't throw a 997 into a corner, if you do then you really need to be committed and know what to expect and preempt what will happen, if you wait until it happens then chances are you will be too later.

Porsche need to retire the 997 from the role of top dog in the lineup, if Porsche made a GT3 version of the Cayman and give it the power the GT3 has then it's a cert that it would be quicker EVERYWHERE. Porsche can't quite let go of the 997 but sign are they might be shifting their position on it.

P.S.

I have quite a few hours experience of both 997 and Cayman on the track and I know exactly which is the quicker and which is consistently easier to lap within a few tenths each and every lap and it sure ain't the 997.

[V1.47fan]

Why would Porsche want to kill such a success,the 911?

Look at the production car times at the ring.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordsch...test_lap_times

[V1.47fan]

Originally Posted by footie

You lack of knowledge is truly mind boggling, the ring is a power track and the only way for the Cayman S to compete with the 997C2S is to get the same power, but on tracks to demand handling above power then the Cayman shows which is the better. The Cayman has such a balanced chassis that it never feels out of control, something you can't level at the 997, you just don't throw a 997 into a corner, if you do then you really need to be committed and know what to expect and preempt what will happen, if you wait until it happens then chances are you will be too later.

Porsche need to retire the 997 from the role of top dog in the lineup, if Porsche made a GT3 version of the Cayman and give it the power the GT3 has then it's a cert that it would be quicker EVERYWHERE. Porsche can't quite let go of the 997 but sign are they might be shifting their position on it.

P.S.

I have quite a few hours experience of both 997 and Cayman on the track and I know exactly which is the quicker and which is consistently easier to lap within a few tenths each and every lap and it sure ain't the 997.

Ruf has a big power cayman based car,don't they? If you know how to drive the 911,the cayman doesn't have an advantage.

Maybe Nissan should retire the GTR and make a mid engine instead,forget the 2009 Dodge Viper SRT-10 ACR and make it a mid engine car as well. Forget the times at AX (tighther than road racing courses),road racing events of the top Viper as well.

[MVF4Rrider]

^^ I don't know if I would reduce the ring to just a "power" track. To excel there, the car must possess great handling and braking as well as power. You spend quite a bit of the lap standing on the brakes!

[OBI_agent]

Originally Posted by footie

So true and so obivous when you see supercar races that include the NSX-R, that thing is so out of it's depth now but always seems to put up a good fight. I wonder why?

...+1

Thanks for understanding.....!

About the NSX-R, the japanese drivers on that show have driven it so many times that, they may have become accustomed to getting the best of the best times out of it

Anyway, NSX will always be a car that handled very very well but was underpowered for it's potent chassis. It's actually similar to the R8 with the 4.2 V8 (Can't wait to see the lap times for the V10)

[V1.47fan]

Originally Posted by MVF4Rrider

^^ I don't know if I would reduce the ring to just a "power" track. To excel there, the car must possess great handling and braking as well as power. You spend quite a bit of the lap standing on the brakes!

That makes sense,that's pry why a lot of car manufacturers take their cars there for test and tune.

[footie]

Believe it or not but the ring isn't that hard on brakes, yes there is some areas of heavy braking but no real areas of sustained heavy braking and the long high speed sections help to keep them cool.

If you look at the ring it can be divided into five sections, one which is quite complexed, one which is a med speed section and three high speed sections of which one is ultra high speed. Best look up some SportAuto lap graphs and compare, then you will understand why I say it's a power course beyond the norm.