[lib]

http://www.autoblog.com/2009/05/18/r...ards-tomorrow/

The announcement comes out tomorrow.

The key points of the autoblog story (take with a grain of salt):
Fleet averages for cars will move from 27.5mpg to 42mpg.
Fleet averages for light trucks will move from 24mpg to 26mpg.

The NYT story is claiming 35mpg combined average.

Update:
Some sites are now claiming the correct figures at 39mpg for cars and 30mpg for trucks.

[cougfan335]

Nice! Thanks to the shell game created by mandating the number of small cars automakers have to sell in relationship to how many big cars this should drive the cost of cars with good mileage throught he floor. Its just too bad there won't be anywhere near as many companies making cars anymore because they will have to either be unprofitable, have lots filled with cars no one wants or pay so much in gov't penalties they'll have to throw in the towel. If only Obama and congress could finally work up the balls to raise gas taxes or completely ban vehicles that get less than 35mpg then we would actually see something positive for pollution reduction and the economic health of our car companies. Or I guess the value of older cars would just shoot through the roof and the auto companies could focus on making parts to keep all the old desireable cars running.

[lib]

I'm just curious how they came up with 42. Did one of them just finish reading the Hitchhikers Guide?

[Artmasterx]

Originally Posted by lib

I'm just curious how they came up with 42. Did one of them just finish reading the Hitchhikers Guide?

nice

[JB135i]

Originally Posted by cougfan335

Nice! Thanks to the shell game created by mandating the number of small cars automakers have to sell in relationship to how many big cars this should drive the cost of cars with good mileage throught he floor. Its just too bad there won't be anywhere near as many companies making cars anymore because they will have to either be unprofitable, have lots filled with cars no one wants or pay so much in gov't penalties they'll have to throw in the towel. If only Obama and congress could finally work up the balls to raise gas taxes or completely ban vehicles that get less than 35mpg then we would actually see something positive for pollution reduction and the economic health of our car companies. Or I guess the value of older cars would just shoot through the roof and the auto companies could focus on making parts to keep all the old desireable cars running.

Yeh because everyone knows government regs and intervention makes a company better...LOL

This will just force models onto the road that are not ready for prime time from an engineering AND marketing/sales standpoint.

[lyndon_h]

Originally Posted by JB135i

Yeh because everyone knows government regs and intervention makes a company better...LOL

This will just force models onto the road that are not ready for prime time from an engineering AND marketing/sales standpoint.

If the products suck, no one will buy them. As an enthusiast, this sucks, but as someone concerned about our dependence on oil, this is a great move.

[imported_mega]

the majority of the population is just fine driving a shitbox, I see the evidence of this every time I drive to work

[lyndon_h]

Hopefully, this will cause more companies to develop diesel engines.

[imported_mega]

Originally Posted by lyndon_h

Hopefully, this will cause more companies to develop diesel engines.

what they have to do, to pass particle emission standards makes the crap from the 70's and 80's look simple

[ragingclue]

Wow good thing the gubment is still pushing corn as the answer as well. Seeing as how it puts your mileage in the shitter, destroys the car, raises food prices, is only 5-26% renewable, and creates shit tons of pollution to create.... Jerking off the American public with one hand, and shoving BS down our throats with the other....

[imported_mega]

Originally Posted by ragingclue

Wow good thing the gubment is still pushing corn as the answer as well. Seeing as how it puts your mileage in the shitter, destroys the car, raises food prices, is only 5-26% renewable, and creates shit tons of pollution to create.... Jerking off the American public with one hand, and shoving BS down our throats with the other....

I have not seen any credible proof of any of that, provided the car is designed to run on it

that whole statement is typical pundit crap

[ragingclue]

Originally Posted by imported_mega

I have not seen any credible proof of any of that, provided the car is designed to run on it

that whole statement is typical pundit crap

You believe what you want.

I'll believe what I want.

Deal?

[imported_mega]

I believe in facts, provide them if you are so sure

[just4kickz]

Originally Posted by ragingclue

Wow good thing the gubment is still pushing corn as the answer as well. Seeing as how it puts your mileage in the shitter, destroys the car, raises food prices, is only 5-26% renewable, and creates shit tons of pollution to create.... Jerking off the American public with one hand, and shoving BS down our throats with the other....

lol

and "Let me lay my holy hand upon you" from your sig. that sounds like something a pedo would say

[Jake C]

So is this an average over the manufactures whole line or per vehicle?

- J

[lyndon_h]

Originally Posted by Jake C

So is this an average over the manufactures whole line or per vehicle?

- J

over whole line. We would be rioting if it were per vehicle.

[Silvertige]

Raise gas taxes by 5 bucks. See how many gas guzzlers are sold then. Basically, europe's method will work better then mandating cafe averages.

As an automotive enthusiast, the whole thing is depressing.

[ragingclue]

Originally Posted by imported_mega

I believe in facts, provide them if you are so sure

Here

Just for starters.

[ragingclue]

Originally Posted by Silvertige

Raise gas taxes by 5 bucks. See how many gas guzzlers are sold then. Basically, europe's method will work better then mandating cafe averages.

As an automotive enthusiast, the whole thing is depressing.

It's really amazing how effective ballooning gas prices were....

[ragingclue]

Originally Posted by just4kickz

lol

and "Let me lay my holy hand upon you" from your sig. that sounds like something a pedo would say

Maynard's a pedo, eh?

[herbz]

Originally Posted by lib

http://www.autoblog.com/2009/05/18/r...ards-tomorrow/

The announcement comes out tomorrow.

The key points of the autoblog story (take with a grain of salt):
Fleet averages for cars will move from 27.5mpg to 42mpg.
Fleet averages for light trucks will move from 24mpg to 26mpg.

The NYT story is claiming 35mpg combined average.

now that the announcement is out and those numbers are more or less accurate, those mileage numbers are based on cars going 55mph on top gear. which is extremely unrealistic and not what the EPA rates cars these days.

in reality this isn't going to change much about cars. i'm sure even a pickup truck going 55 in the right lane will already get 25mpg. the problem is when heavy footed jackasses are going 80 in their 2+ ton pickups, their mileage drops to about 5mpg.

the real solution to reduce emissions, which will never happen because its in the governments interest to keep the emissions high, is to heavily mandate the size and weight of cars, and completely obliterate the idea of the luxury SUV, with some dumbass soccer mom on her cell phone driving a sequioa or escalade around with no cargo or passengers.

if you use your pickup for landscaping, construction, work, whatever, fine. the problem is that 99.99999% of drivers of SUVs and pickups never use them for what they are designed to do and simply want something big.

fine with me, i'll continue to barely press my gas pedal and watch as all the SUV's become specs in my rearview.

[Jake C]

Originally Posted by lyndon_h

over whole line. We would be rioting if it were per vehicle.

Thanks for the reply lyndon. That's what I was thinking as well but I was not sure. I wonder where BMW stands with the product line up that they have currently? The 335d certainly helps it's rated at what 36mpg highway?

- J