[Top_Gear_Fan]

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Beat the 599xx by 11 seconds! The Zonda R isn't road legal either. Lets hope to find a video soon so I can post it on here.

[KiokenM3]

is the 599xx road legal?

[kyleb350]

Originally Posted by KiokenM3

is the 599xx road legal?

Nope. Can only be driven on Ferrari's track.... seriously

[jeremyc74]

Originally Posted by KiokenM3

is the 599xx road legal?

It was also wearing race slicks.

Honestly these "production car based" record really don't do much for me personally.

I like seeing the street car's times, but when you start turning them into track cars it's just a matter of how much money you want to throw at it. Obviously both these companies threw a pile of it.

[c0nstant]

lol suck it ferrari

[Sylon]

This is footage of the Zonda R doing the record breaking lap, but its not of the lap itself. Still waiting for the official release from Pagani for that one, so stay tuned.

[cuban335i]

my favorite car! i've had it as my background on my laptop, desktop, and iphone for months now lol

[Sniz]

thats an AMAZING car

id take it over the ferrari

the flyby at the end is unreal....OMG

[AW335TT]

That car looks a lot more illegal than the 599xx lol. It looks like a straight out race car. If a 599xx passed by an average person on the road he probably wouldn't know it isn't street legal but I think a 2 month old baby can tell this thing shouldn't be on the streets lol. Dont think they should be compared. With that being said this car sounds fkn amazingg, that last drive by is....

[maswastage]

I don't see what the big deal is about these Nurburgring lap records, especially when it comes to comparing cars. On a such a long circuit, even an 11 second difference isn't that significant. The difference could be as much to do with weather and track conditions as with the cars themselves. Even one or two split second errors by the driver could end up costing those 11 seconds.

[Boost Gomez]

Originally Posted by maswastage

I don't see what the big deal is about these Nurburgring lap records, especially when it comes to comparing cars. On a such a long circuit, even an 11 second difference isn't that significant. The difference could be as much to do with weather and track conditions as with the cars themselves. Even one or two split second errors by the driver could end up costing those 11 seconds.

11 seconds is definitely a significant margin.

[Sylon]

Originally Posted by maswastage

I don't see what the big deal is about these Nurburgring lap records, especially when it comes to comparing cars. On a such a long circuit, even an 11 second difference isn't that significant. The difference could be as much to do with weather and track conditions as with the cars themselves. Even one or two split second errors by the driver could end up costing those 11 seconds.

The Nurburgring has become the unit of measurement for all performance cars and a standard for testing long-term function of vehicles. Not only is it grueling in its own right, but its also the ultimate test for the cars that run on it.

Did you know that a single hard run lap can equal roughly 3 years of wear and tear on a car? That you can experience 2-3 different seasons throughout the a single lap? And that it has the most corners than any other road course? And that its also the longest road course in the world? THATS why this track has become the standard. Its the ultimate test for both car (car maker) and driver.

[maswastage]

Originally Posted by Sylon

The Nurburgring has become the unit of measurement for all performance cars and a standard for testing long-term function of vehicles. Not only is it grueling in its own right, but its also the ultimate test for the cars that run on it.

Did you know that a single hard run lap can equal roughly 3 years of wear and tear on a car? That you can experience 2-3 different seasons throughout the a single lap? And that it has the most corners than any other road course? And that its also the longest road course in the world? THATS why this track has become the standard. Its the ultimate test for both car (car maker) and driver.

I am perfectly aware of everything you mentioned. Sending a car around the Nurburgring is a useful way for manufacturer's to test their cars, yes, but comparing lap times when they were set by different drivers on different days is pointless.

It's like when the Cobalt SS set a faster 'ring time than the 335i and everybody made such a huge deal about it. Never mind the fact that the laps were set by two different drivers, months apart from each other with varying track conditions, those 4 seconds mean the SS is clearly the faster car.

Oh and an 11 second difference over the course of a 7 minute lap is a 2% difference in performance. Or in other words, the difference between a slightly muggy day and a clear day.

[Silver-Bolt]

That V12 has an orgasmic sound. Incredible. As he left the pits you can hear the straight cut gear non-syncro transmission. No chance that would function on the street. I'll take two please.

[josephr25]

Originally Posted by maswastage

I am perfectly aware of everything you mentioned. Sending a car around the Nurburgring is a useful way for manufacturer's to test their cars, yes, but comparing lap times when they were set by different drivers on different days is pointless.

It's like when the Cobalt SS set a faster 'ring time than the 335i and everybody made such a huge deal about it. Never mind the fact that the laps were set by two different drivers, months apart from each other with varying track conditions, those 4 seconds mean the SS is clearly the faster car.

Oh and an 11 second difference over the course of a 7 minute lap is a 2% difference in performance. Or in other words, the difference between a slightly muggy day and a clear day.

Formula 1 teams would kill for just 1% performance improvement on a much shorter track. But what do they know, right?

[HPFREAK]

neither car is road legal here in the U.S., so whatever. The Zonda is a better car though. Ferrari can suck it.

[Boost Gomez]

Originally Posted by Kampfer

Formula 1 teams would kill for just 1% performance improvement on a much shorter track. But what do they know, right?

+1

[maswastage]

Originally Posted by Kampfer

Formula 1 teams would kill for just 1% performance improvement on a much shorter track. But what do they know, right?

Formula 1 teams can also experience fluctuations of at least 1% on the same track from day to day, based on differences in ambient temperature, humidity, and track condition, and having nothing at all to do with their cars. What's your point?

[josephr25]

Originally Posted by maswastage

Formula 1 teams can also experience fluctuations of at least 1% on the same track from day to day, based on differences in ambient temperature, humidity, and track condition, and having nothing at all to do with their cars. What's your point?

My point is that 2% is a lot. If you can extract an extra 2% from your car, REGARDLESS OF THE TRACK CONDITIONS, then that is very significant. Why do you think McLaren made a big deal about spending $7 million about extracting a four-tenths of a second (maybe even less than that) out of their car, during Hamilton's title run? Why do you think in F1 interviews engineers state that they are desperate for that 1% gain in performance?

Please tell McLaren your point of view; you are obviously smarter than a bunch of race engineers. Don't let that Cobalt get past you.

[maswastage]

I don't need to tell McLaren anything. But perhaps you do, seeing as how you're the one who thinks track conditions are irrelevant to a car's performance. So I guess by your logic when they test on a nice cool day and their car magically goes a few seconds faster, McLaren can just call it a day. Never mind the track conditions, the car is faster today, job's done mates, time for a beer!

[Sylon]

Originally Posted by maswastage

I don't need to tell McLaren anything. But perhaps you do, seeing as how you're the one who thinks track conditions are irrelevant to a car's performance. So I guess by your logic when they test on a nice cool day and their car magically goes a few seconds faster, McLaren can just call it a day. Never mind the track conditions, the car is faster today, job's done mates, time for a beer!

Track conditions, temperature, humidity, tires, whether or not the driver got laid the night before, all kinds of stuff can come into play on ANY track. The Nürburgring is just the one the auto industry picked to test and compare the fastest vehicles, plain and simple.


Leguna Seca in the US is another track that is often used to compare the fastest cars, but due to safety and import restrictions, not all cars are able to test in the States. Germany isnt as restrictive, plus they have the world's most epic track, so its a win-win for auto makers.



Here is another video of the record breaking lap, but its not THE video.

[AW335TT]

Originally Posted by maswastage

I don't need to tell McLaren anything. But perhaps you do, seeing as how you're the one who thinks track conditions are irrelevant to a car's performance. So I guess by your logic when they test on a nice cool day and their car magically goes a few seconds faster, McLaren can just call it a day. Never mind the track conditions, the car is faster today, job's done mates, time for a beer!

You would be right if they only had one chance with only 1 lap. Most car companys do test after test, lap after lap. Your not the only one who knows these things make a difference in times, car companys are all well aware of this. If Ferrari thought the 599xx had another 11 seconds in it they would be back at the track the next day doing lap after lap, until the driver feels that thats the best he can do.