[X35 MGR]

It may not be a bimmer, but the future looks bright . . .

http://www.caranddriver.com/autoshow...ontiac-g8.html

[ALPINE6SPD]

Originally Posted by X35 MGR

It may not be a bimmer, but the future looks bright . . .

http://www.caranddriver.com/autoshow...ontiac-g8.html

OMG the 335i is in huge trouble im going to buy a pontiac and I am going to quit selling BMW's to sell pontiacs. Pontiac has just KILLED them.

[shragon]

hahaha.

they should add some angel eyes to it!

i hate how pontiacs have grills similar to bmw kidney grills.

[Bimmerista]

Originally Posted by ALPINE6SPD

OMG the 335i is in huge trouble im going to buy a pontiac and I am going to quit selling BMW's to sell pontiacs. Pontiac has just KILLED them.

Baby steps - I like the Holden Commodore pics I have seen, which is what the G8 is.

I hope for Pontiac's sake that the execution will be better than the Monaro/GTO debacle.

From what I can see by reading up on Aussie mags, the Holden are well loved but not in the same league as the Bimmers. Unless I am mistaken, it is like comparing the 335 to a Mustang - not really the same even though they they both RWD coupes.........

[jutaman]

there is no way u can compare a pontiac to a bmw. 2 totally different levels, classes, target market, quality, and alot more. not saying the pontiac is a bad car, but i would much rather prefer a bmw over a pontiac any day.

[X35 MGR]

All true, but you've got to agree the numbers are getting better and better - a 391 torque, 368 horsepower stick shift for 30 grand, and they are juicing up suspension etc. My point - don't be so sure there isn't plenty of competition and choices coming in the next couple of years.

[just4kickz]

GTOs are sweet. hey rob did you see Orlando's GTO on volks? looks greatt

[Joop!]

335i will maintain. It can take corners brilliantly.

The Pontiac is still a American car (soft suspension). I don't wanna be killed taking a corner in that thing.

Looks quite nice for an American car btw.

[obLu]

I was actually surprised when I cross shopped a CTS-V with my e90 (It's a bit hard to argue with a 400hp V8 sometimes). On the street, it was actually more comfortable and tossable than the e90.

Where it ultimately fell flat was in dampening high speed bumps. On rough freeway over 70mph it did get the stereotypical american car boat-float going. But around town, and freeway on-ramps it was much more fun, much more tossable. Probably because it can be steered with the throttle much more.

Ultimately, I didn't buy it just because I didn't like the quality of the materials.

The American car companies are getting closer when they want to.

[Last E92 M3]

thumbs down

[Chris.G]

OMG what did Pontiac do to our Holden . Dam i feel sorry for you guys in States that have to see our Holden Commodores with shitty pontiac bodykits.

BTW after i order my coupe i strongly am considering a HOLDEN SPECIAL VEHICLE (GTS) that is actually very impressive. If i was into sedans more then coupe's id actually go for a GTS instead of a E90.
www.hsv.com.au (gts model)

[ironic]

[Dollar Bill]

Originally Posted by jutaman

there is no way u can compare a pontiac to a bmw. 2 totally different levels, classes, target market, quality, and alot more. not saying the pontiac is a bad car, but i would much rather prefer a bmw over a pontiac any day.

I totally agree

[Bimmerista]

Originally Posted by Chris.G

OMG what did Pontiac do to our Holden . Dam i feel sorry for you guys in States that have to see our Holden Commodores with shitty pontiac bodykits.

BTW after i order my coupe i strongly am considering a HOLDEN SPECIAL VEHICLE (GTS) that is actually very impressive. If i was into sedans more then coupe's id actually go for a GTS instead of a E90.
www.hsv.com.au (gts model)

OK, how do the Holden handle-I mean on a track lets say (or curvy road). Are they heavy set and lean into a turn like an american car would, or are they nimble and agile?

I would love to get an Aussi perspective on one of your iconic cars.

[Chris.G]

Originally Posted by Bimmerista

OK, how do the Holden handle-I mean on a track lets say (or curvy road). Are they heavy set and lean into a turn like an american car would, or are they nimble and agile?

I would love to get an Aussi perspective on one of your iconic cars.

I had a test drive of the car and i have to say its pretty agile for a muscle sedan. The HSV GTS has MRC(magnetic ride control) much like of those on ferrari's. So the grip and turning corners or curvey roads are definately not a problem. On very high speed curves i have to say the back does go out a bit but its fairly normal for a sedan. You said you read AUSSIE mags well if you read the Wheels mag we have here this car has won COTY(car of the year). This is a prestigious mag and the winner is usually anounced on all our tv channels. It has beaten alot of cars like the 335coupe and s-class, porsche etc etc.

EDIT: i forgot to mention very good handling and steering feel (much like of an e90).

i have to say this car is definately the best AUSTRALIAN muscle ever made. Its a absolute

[Bimmerista]

Originally Posted by Chris.G

I had a test drive of the car and i have to say its pretty agile for a muscle sedan. The HSV GTS has MRC(magnetic ride control) much like of those on ferrari's. So the grip and turning corners or curvey roads are definately not a problem. On very high speed curves i have to say the back does go out a bit but its fairly normal for a sedan. You said you read AUSSIE mags well if you read the Wheels mag we have here this car has won COTY(car of the year). This is a prestigious mag and the winner is usually anounced on all our tv channels. It has beaten alot of cars like the 335coupe and s-class, porsche etc etc.

EDIT: i forgot to mention very good handling and steering feel (much like of an e90).

i have to say this car is definately the best AUSTRALIAN muscle ever made. Its a absolute

Right-I am really interested to see how this car will do here in NA. Obviously pricing will be an issue (what ultimately killed the GTO), styling is OK.

[obLu]

Obviously pricing will be an issue (what ultimately killed the GTO)

I doubt pricing killed the GTO ... it was the absolute rock bottom cheapest 400hp you could buy. 33k plus American brand incentive discounts is pretty damn cheap. I'm not sure how much cheaper you could expect it to be.

What killed it was super bland styling combined with absolutely NO marketing campaign. Nobody knew about it, so who was gonna buy it?

[enwhykiid]

looks tacky

[Norsk]

As usual with GM; in show car mode, it looks hot ... final product will be less hot (if not shit) & quality will be crap as usual.

IMHO, the only car they have not crapped out totally on, is the new vette ... mostly the Z06


Rear wheel drive... wow?

I guess they finally realised the European where right & it's no surprise. Lexus was the first to copy, the Infinity & a couple of others.

The hold outs are:
Acura
Audi
Volvo
Other crap I don't care to mention.

Let's see; If I did not have the money for the bimmer, I would have gotten the G35 or the IS350 ... If I did not have any money for those, I might start looking at that Pontiac.

In the end, the more I see this, the happier I am!

Why?

It gives us better BMWs. Just as we can thank Infinity G35, Lexus IS350 for the BMW 335i

[obLu]

Let's see; If I did not have the money for the bimmer, I would have gotten the G35 or the IS350 ... If I did not have any money for those, I might start looking at that Pontiac.

Yeah, I think that's the heart of it. I believe GM really wants a piece of that 35-45k "near luxury" market. Problem is, they ain't never gonna git it with the crap quality they produce. CTS-V's been pretty popular in my area, but I think that's a special case; 400hp for the price of 250ish from the Germans.

And the most shocking this is ... if they'd just bring over a lot of their Euro market products people'd start buying their products again. Look at Ford EU, they make some wonderful products. But because of internal politics, it'll never happen.

[Chris.G]

You guys are hillarious, i personally love BMW's and never would think twice to buy a Holden(not anymore). But this car we have made in AUSTRALIA is unbelievably improved im suprised my self that GM has given all power to HOLDEN to create a new vehicle from scratch.
LOOK at this link, a high profile magazine has made this car, car of the year and it has beaten the new bmw coupe both 335 and 325, as well as all other top notch cars like caymen s etc etc.
http://sports.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=181134

[Chris.G]

Check this out not bad ad.