[MzSpeed]

They uploaded a new video with some performance numbers.

[Year's_End]

<--biggest hater to huge lover of this thing in the span of a year

[Epik]

haha yeah this car has won most everyone over.

[hks786]

I've liked it from day 1. I just dont like the price tag!

[TK-421]

why the fuck can't i see it. and i've come to like it too... but can't love it - it really is that ugly

[Sniz]

not working for me, what were the results?

[Mprofiler]

That car is putting down some serious hp to the wheels. It's either got a very efficient drivetrain or it's underrated.

[M3_WC]

Originally Posted by Mprofiler

That car is putting down some serious hp to the wheels. It's either got a very efficient drivetrain or it's underrated.

Well not really. Motor Trend did some dyno runs also, they got much different results. Edmunds used a dynojet, like they said in the article some "optimistic" numbers.

Motor Trend - 430.3 rhp / 283.1 wtq

I suspect the numbers are somewhere in between the two tests. Nothing to write home about. Car sounds fantastic!

[Mprofiler]

Originally Posted by M3_WC

Well not really. Motor Trend did some dyno runs also, they got much different results. Edmunds used a dynojet, like they said in the article some "optimistic" numbers.

Motor Trend - 430.3 rhp / 283.1 wtq

I suspect the numbers are somewhere in between the two tests. Nothing to write home about. Car sounds fantastic!

I don't think there is one dyno out there that can give the "exact" picture so take it for what it's worth. However, it seems like Edmunds used a higher gear ratio (4th instead of 5th) to dyno which might explain why the figures are higher in general.

[whitejdm]

Haters seem to be under the impression the LF-A is actually getting cross shopped with cars. Race car drivers, Professional Athletes and the like do NOT shop for cars. There's no point in comparing this to anything else in it's price bracet because they either A) already have those cars or B) don't care about the dollar to performance ratio.
Do I like the way it looks? not so much. Does the car accomplish everything toyota set out to do? I think so. And I think it embodies the "japanese" spirit more so than the GTR.

Kudos to not filling up this thread with "this car is slow for how much it costs" etc..

[M3_WC]

Originally Posted by whitejdm

Haters seem to be under the impression the LF-A is actually getting cross shopped with cars. Race car drivers, Professional Athletes and the like do NOT shop for cars. There's no point in comparing this to anything else in it's price bracet because they either A) already have those cars or B) don't care about the dollar to performance ratio.
Do I like the way it looks? not so much. Does the car accomplish everything toyota set out to do? I think so. And I think it embodies the "japanese" spirit more so than the GTR.

Kudos to not filling up this thread with "this car is slow for how much it costs" etc..

Agree. Most people buying these cars have a garage full of exotics. Is there other cars and exotic cars out there that out-perform it, sure. Is the styling questionable to some, sure. The car does sound amazing, no one can doubt that.

[footie]

Brilliant car at a more normal price tag but at asking price it's just appears over-rated which is a shame.

[BMW269]

Originally Posted by footie

Brilliant car at a more normal price tag but at asking price it's just appears over-rated which is a shame.

They had no choice about the pricing. It is not like Audi that can take the Gallardo platform for the R8. The LF-A is overpriced, less than the M3 GTS for instance. IMO M3 GTS is not worth anything other than that the car is OEM. IMO even only the LF-A sound is worth the pricetag, best sounding car toghether with Carrera GT.

[Kartelli]

If you had the cash would you buy one? I put my hand up, its about one of the most exclusive cars you can own similar to the bugatti. Value for money, sure there are tonnes of other products, but having 1 of maybe 50-75 available in Canada... that is exclusive!

[footie]

Originally Posted by M3_WC

Agree. Most people buying these cars have a garage full of exotics. Is there other cars and exotic cars out there that out-perform it, sure. Is the styling questionable to some, sure. The car does sound amazing, no one can doubt that.

If it's your opinion that this car shouldn't be compared to others to justify it's price or place then surely the same should be true for every other car.

So what is the point in this or any other forum that discusses the merits of one car over another?

[///M 4 Life]

Really nice car but I won't spend that kind of money on a Lexus. I'm sure it's great but I would rather have something with a real heritage for sports cars!

[M3_WC]

Originally Posted by footie

If it's your opinion that this car shouldn't be compared to others to justify it's price or place then surely the same should be true for every other car.

So what is the point in this or any other forum that discusses the merits of one car over another?

The point is your missing the point of the conversation.

And for your amusement, I personally would take a 458. But most people buying these probably already own a couple Ferraris, Lambos, etc.

There is no point in comparing, as it has been well established there are quicker cars for less money.

It is kinda like the the Aston Martin argument. Many cars out-perform them, but they have a certain elegance to their design/feel that people find appealing.

[whitejdm]

Originally Posted by footie

If it's your opinion that this car shouldn't be compared to others to justify it's price or place then surely the same should be true for every other car.

So what is the point in this or any other forum that discusses the merits of one car over another?

The same IS true for every other car. It just seems that people have become so obsessed with hp numbers, Nurburgring times and quarter mile times that they've lost what exotic cars are all about.
For instance, the biggest joke was Motortrend running a drag race between the LFA and the GTR. Comparing a car that costs less than 100k and can be bought by walking into your local Nissan dealership to a car costing 3 times more that had to be pre ordered with a 20min phone interview is crazy.
"Performance" is a VERY fluid term these days and saying a car isn't worth it's price because a cheaper car is as fast (or faster) means you aren't looking at the big picture.
As enthusiasts being able to appreciate what a car has set out to do is just as important as recognizing WHAT it can do. There is a laundry list of reasons the LFA is worth its price. Just as there's a laundry list of reasons a Fiat 500 or a Mustang V6 are worth theirs. Discussion comes when a car makes a promise and does NOT deliver. I haven't seen any "LFA is the fastest production car in the world" posters from Lexus...did I miss something?

[Elie335i]

downshift is f*$@#$**@$ EARGASM

[Cdnrockies]

Originally Posted by Kartelli

If you had the cash would you buy one? I put my hand up, its about one of the most exclusive cars you can own similar to the bugatti. Value for money, sure there are tonnes of other products, but having 1 of maybe 50-75 available in Canada... that is exclusive!

The number is 10.

There are only 10 cars coming to Canada at this point. I'd have to look up the exact breakdown, but not surprisingly, 6 are going to Vancouver, 1 here in Calgary and the other 3 are going out East.

[Sephiroth]

Who cares how much power it has! Just listen to it!!

[OBI_agent]

I love this car but my lust for Ferrari and Lambo will rage on quite sometime