Devastating new Ammunition design (A new twist on frangible Hollow points)

kingofthedemo · 01-26-2014, 02:09 AM

These look absolutely crazy! LINK: http://thelibertydigest.com/2014/01/...ners-drooling/

Arben72 · 01-26-2014, 05:10 AM

Not an expert but how can that round be aerodynamically stable at long distances? It looks like it would lose speed fast.

Devious21 · 01-26-2014, 05:19 AM

Interesting. That much penetration might need consideration for home defense. Right now if I miss a shot, I might send something the size of a quarter through my wall. With this, it looks like a shotgun blast coming out the other side.

Might make self defense in apartment buildings or even a multi bedroom homes impractical.

Cuz5150 · 01-26-2014, 09:49 AM

OMG

WreckerX5d · 01-26-2014, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Arben72

Not an expert but how can that round be aerodynamically stable at long distances? It looks like it would lose speed fast.

It's a pistol round, so long distance is something not in the equation. Most pistol shots are within 50yards.

silvergray545 · 01-26-2014, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Arben72

Not an expert but how can that round be aerodynamically stable at long distances? It looks like it would lose speed fast.

A 9mm is not a sniper round. I'd be surprised if you have to shoot anyone farther than 6-10 feet away in a real world situation.

upstatedoc · 01-26-2014, 01:02 PM

I wonder if it has any "feed" issues with edges like that.

kingofthedemo · 01-26-2014, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Arben72

Not an expert but how can that round be aerodynamically stable at long distances? It looks like it would lose speed fast.

Click on the link, they explain the rounds unique aerodynamics properties in the video.

kingofthedemo · 01-26-2014, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by upstatedoc

I wonder if it has any "feed" issues with edges like that.

It certainly would make you think so, by looking at it, but it seems to function well based on their videos...

ybbiz34 · 01-26-2014, 01:36 PM

Would NOT want to get tagged with one of those.

PINeely · 01-26-2014, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by upstatedoc

I wonder if it has any "feed" issues with edges like that.

The video shows it feeding fine in full-automatic fire so it seems to be functional.
EDIT: Something like a 1911 may be a little more picky with them though.

I'm curious about whether this thing will go the same way as the Black Talon and get driven out of existence by its scary looks.

Also I'll take a box in 9, 10 and .45 please.

Nate4641 · 01-26-2014, 02:35 PM

I can't wait to see what the shotgun slugs will look like.

WreckerX5d · 01-26-2014, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by PINeely

The video shows it feeding fine in full-automatic fire so it seems to be functional.

I'm curious about whether this thing will go the same way as the Black Talon and get driven out of existence by its scary looks.

Also I'll take a box in 9, 10 and .45 please.

I never understood that train of thought. "OMG this bullet looks scary! BAN IT!". Sorry, but I want the guy to die faster and easier.

upstatedoc · 01-26-2014, 03:09 PM

Couldn't find a price on them.

kingofthedemo · 01-26-2014, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Nate4641

I can't wait to see what the shotgun slugs will look like.

I know, me too!

Inspired · 01-27-2014, 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by MonkUSMC

It's a pistol round, so long distance is something not in the equation. Most pistol shots are within 50yards.

50 yards is already pushing it. Most pistol shot is shot accurately ~7 yard.

PINeely · 01-27-2014, 01:46 AM

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I never understood that train of thought. "OMG this bullet looks scary! BAN IT!". Sorry, but I want the guy to die faster and easier.

Well they were never banned but Winchester pulled them from the market because of all the bad press. Most of it was media nonsense too such as that it would pierce police officers' bulletproof vests (despite being a hollowpoint round, lol) and that it would buzz through the bad guy like a drill and keep going into innocents. Winchester removed the black coating and started selling it as the Ranger T and hasn't had a problem since. The "ban the scary stuff" mentality of which you speak is what gun ownership faces every day though.

I have a box of BT's and have to keep them in a concrete room in my basement because every time I open the door one jumps up and attacks me and I have to put it down with a Super Soaker full of nitric acid. I really hope that these don't do the same!

Zeiss · 01-27-2014, 03:12 AM

Pretty innovative stuff! A nightmare for surgeons though

upstatedoc · 01-28-2014, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by 435i

Pretty innovative stuff! A nightmare for surgeons though

Well if they work a surgeon won't be necessary.

Its_lobelt · 01-28-2014, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by upstatedoc

Well if they work a surgeon won't be necessary.

HAHAH

e92oholic · 01-28-2014, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ybbiz34

Would NOT want to get tagged with one of those.

Right but I sure want some. Would be awesome to try out at the range.

The 45s and shotgun rounds will be insane

twin fed · 01-31-2014, 01:21 PM

Definitely want some of that

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