bavarianboar wrote

This comes stateside or it jeopardizes the newly launched X3?

BMW is expecting to lose $1B this year because of the situation of china and the US, i believe that BMW will try to cut costs in the production of their vehicles and lower the prices and it will focus more on the middle east market.

i believe that this is the reason why BMW is making this car

Nabil_sinukrot wrote

BMW is expecting to lose $1B this year because of the situation of china and the US, i believe that BMW will try to cut costs in the production of their vehicles and lower the prices and it will focus more on the middle east market.

i believe that this is the reason why BMW is making this car

At the end of the day, the i3 and iX3 are going to be excellent cars, regardless of powertrains. Quick, tech forward, fun to drive. They will be EVs that people want because they’re better than anything else in their size/utility class.

JMD wrote

The ultimate game changer for all BEVs will be the SSB,...as in Solid State Battery! Where charging the battery will be similar to pouring water into a glass!

The method of 240volts reduced to a simple 120v in the US would be that equivalent.

Also- figuring out a way to covert the power into the battery continues to be the challenge of efficiency not often discussed.

John Casey wrote

I haven't been following this closely - is the iX3 a replacement (or BEV version) of the X3 offering or the iX? I thought I read a while ago that the iX3 will be smaller than the current iX.

Here's what I could find from the Future Model info...it looks like they all just live together for a while, siblings sitting next to each other on the dealer's lot.

iX3 NA5 production: 7/25-10/33
X3 G45 production: until 10/33
iX production: until 6/28

Yup the iX3 will sit alongside the X3 until 2033 and then (i imagine) they'll melt together into one next gen

The iX is size-similar to the X5, and i think will be phased out as the iX5 gets introduced.

I have an iX and love it, but really hoping for a 3-row EV in either the ix5 or ix7 that will finally give me a "do everything car"

drexplode wrote

NMC i believe from the deep dive video for Gen6. BMW cancelled their contract with Northvolt and they filed for Chapter 11. Maybe LFP eventually?
46mmD x 95 and 120mm heights, Increased Nickel on Cathode reduce Cobalt on cathode, increased silica on anode



https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/bmw-cancels-2-bln-contract-with-northvolt-says-handelsblatt-2024-06-20/

I went searching again and found this new article. LFP apparently is in the plan, but not at the start, which is fine. I always like to wait for the plant to build a year to get the new-model kinks out.

https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/bmw/365964/bmw-neue-klasse-tech-ready-launch-its-mission-redefine-ev-market

LFP batteries will lower the cost, but also reduce the range. I'm excited by the NMC batteries, like Fisker used for the Ocean.

Yoot1 wrote

LFP batteries will lower the cost, but also reduce the range. I'm excited by the NMC batteries, like Fisker used for the Ocean.

I don't care about the cost and would pay even more for solid state. Meanwhile, LFP batteries do not propogate their own oxygen in a thermal runaway, as LiIon do making extinguishing the fire incredibly difficult, operate at cooler temperatures, and are far safer than NMC/NCA. Several places no longer allow underground or in parking-deck chargers due to the Lithium Ion problems and intensely unmanageable vehicle fires, ranging from some insurance companies in the US to Korean government buildings in Seoul. I am not an engineer, but worked with many in the industry and an actual battery engineer told me he won't park an NMC/NCA vehicle in his own garage. The one study that someone published to try to show the EVs have fewer fire events than gasoline was flawed, comparing all EV, which are mostly new, to all ICE, and over 70% in the study were 10+ years old. Given all the issues with the Fisker Ocean and the massive quality problems that killed sales and contributed to their bankruptcy, they would seem to be the last ones given as an example to follow! In any event, I don't need the range difference between the two as I will be able to "top off" with the charger I will install in my garage...and LFP batteries can be charged to 100% while Lithium Ion are supposed to not be charged more than 80% and many chargers can now cut off the input at that level. That alone reduces the difference in range. LFP also can take more charging cycles over its lifetime. No LiIon for us!

I sure as hell won't be buying one!

Nabil_sinukrot wrote

BMW is expecting to lose $1B this year because of the situation of china and the US, i believe that BMW will try to cut costs in the production of their vehicles and lower the prices and it will focus more on the middle east market.

i believe that this is the reason why BMW is making this car

I find it very hard to believe they had a crystal ball about international tensions, politics and tariffs, 3-4 years ago when they kicked off this project.

This is just a natural step of introducing more EVs in their lineup, and offering options that are likely best sellers (consider how model Y is more popular).

Not saying you are incorrect though that’s not the primary reason they are making this car. It’s not a 6 months project to put a car out in testing.

RoundelM3 wrote

I sure as hell won't be buying one!

Because.....?

This would be a cool look. The reveal will be interesting.

M3JetPilot wrote

This would be a cool look. The reveal will be interesting.

That’s a nice render. I’d be on board for that.

Snooze … more electric ricers?

Update the 8 series already you idiots!

M3JetPilot wrote

This would be a cool look. The reveal will be interesting.

That would be nice, but I can guarantee you it won't look that good. The front end will be screwed up with some weird shape, out of proportion kidneys.

I booked my ticket to fly to Munich September 9th.

Also have a ticket to the IAA. Can't wait for the reveal.

Neue thanks - these designs absolutely suck ass

Series production of the Neue Klasse will get underway in late 2025, starting with the BMW iX3. This will roll off the production line at the new plant in Debrecen, Hungary, and kick off a dynamic model ramp-up lasting through to 2027: more than 40 models with all drive variants will launch in quick succession, among them a sporty sedan that will be core to the BMW brand and released in 2026.

Ugly Kar wrote

That would be nice, but I can guarantee you it won't look that good. The front end will be screwed up with some weird shape, out of proportion kidneys.

Sadly, you’re likely right. Why is BMW insisting on making every ugly grille variation they can. Talk about over complicating something, and for zero gain.

LuisBoston wrote

At the end of the day, the i3 and iX3 are going to be excellent cars, regardless of powertrains. Quick, tech forward, fun to drive. They will be EVs that people want because they’re better than anything else in their size/utility class.

Concur wholeheartedly. Well said.

ultamte wrote

While I understand your points about EVs having some advantages over traditional combustion engines - I wouldn't say ICE cars are the only ones that "pollute our air" and "disrupt nature".

The environmental impact of mining for EV battery materials, the manufacturing process to build these automobiles, and even the energy sources used for charging them (which in many cases still rely on fossil fuels) - still pollutes our air and disrupts nature!.

The future of transportation continues to evolve with improvements in battery tech and cleaner energy production. But like anything - it's not perfect or impact free. There are always trade-offs.

Agreed. There are and will always be trade-offs.

ultamte wrote

While I understand your points about EVs having some advantages over traditional combustion engines - I wouldn't say ICE cars are the only ones that "pollute our air" and "disrupt nature".

The environmental impact of mining for EV battery materials, the manufacturing process to build these automobiles, and even the energy sources used for charging them (which in many cases still rely on fossil fuels) - still pollutes our air and disrupts nature!.

The future of transportation continues to evolve with improvements in battery tech and cleaner energy production. But like anything - it's not perfect or impact free. There are always trade-offs.

It’s not that complicated. Even if you believe all the conspiracies; Wouldn’t it be great to remove all the exhaust gas - kind of gas that kills you if you get stuck in a garage with it! - from the air we breathe, while driving smoother, quieter, faster vehicles that are way cheaper to run?

Great post, enjoyed this