The 2027 iX3 50 xDrive is now listed with 434 miles range on the BMW US website!

I states the “IX3”….but does not list the model designation. Guessing this will be the range for the single motor RWD version.

Windshieldfarmer wrote

I states the “IX3”….but does not list the model designation. Guessing this will be the range for the single motor RWD version.

iX3 50 xDrive, the only version that is officially announced in the US and mentioned on the website.

Possible if you drive at 50mph with Max range mode enabled. It won’t let you use all the power and climate control is disabled.

The car really isn’t what reviewers and influencers are pushing it to be. It’s better than BMW’s previous take on electric cars for sure but the EV industry is way ahead.

With a usable 108kwh pack, real world range will be in the low 300’s which isn’t bad but with cheaped out interior, BMW sure is doing a good job at getting rave reviews. I mean basic luxury features are missing from the car and no one is saying a word. It has got steel suspension with no option to upgrade, no cooled seats even as an option, the cabin uses cheap fabric instead of leather,no dual pane glass, I see no stitching on door cards or the dash or the airbar cover. No seatback pockets, rear seats can’t be released from the truck. No shade for the sunroof not even an electrochromic glass. The worst looking steering in the segment and I can go on and on.

Congratulations to anyone who plans on buying the car just because they are loyal to BMW. I detest the Tesla Model Y design but it is a far superior EV which is also cheaper.

I absolutely love when an iX3 post makes a main page, and we get a bunch of absolutely brain-dead, uninformed takes from the general public.

carbonblackfun wrote

With a usable 108kwh pack, real world range will be in the low 300’s which isn’t bad but with cheaped out interior, BMW sure is doing a good job at getting rave reviews.

That is NOT the view of those that have the car in what they are seeing in real world driving of the car with and without the usage of Eco and max range. Several in this forum have seen 400+ miles on a normal drive in currently cool temperates and the charging speeds if you can find a charger are great.

There is no real comparable Tesla either IMO, the Y isn't really an SUV, you barely sit much higher than a y and its very low in comparison, space maybe, looks that's an individual thing.

TheUltimateDrivingManiac wrote

iX3 50 xDrive, the only version that is officially announced in the US and mentioned on the website.

Read the small print.

carbonblackfun wrote

Possible if you drive at 50mph with Max range mode enabled. It won’t let you use all the power and climate control is disabled.

The car really isn’t what reviewers and influencers are pushing it to be. It’s better than BMW’s previous take on electric cars for sure but the EV industry is way ahead.

With a usable 108kwh pack, real world range will be in the low 300’s which isn’t bad but with cheaped out interior, BMW sure is doing a good job at getting rave reviews. I mean basic luxury features are missing from the car and no one is saying a word. It has got steel suspension with no option to upgrade, no cooled seats even as an option, the cabin uses cheap fabric instead of leather,no dual pane glass, I see no stitching on door cards or the dash or the airbar cover. No seatback pockets, rear seats can’t be released from the truck. No shade for the sunroof not even an electrochromic glass. The worst looking steering in the segment and I can go on and on.

Congratulations to anyone who plans on buying the car just because they are loyal to BMW. I detest the Tesla Model Y design but it is a far superior EV which is also cheaper.

Not in the market for an iX3 but a pretty clueless comment.
Lots of interior bits I don’t care for but it performs where it matters.
The drive dynamics…
Tesla was a benchmark EV many years ago but those days are gone. But that’s also the case with most Chinese EV’s which for some reason gets a lot of credit from people that have never driven them.

Invasive interior tech, fantastic charging tech, low efficency and shitty drive dynamics.
Cars made to last for a couple of years.

The UK is a good benchmark for Chinese EV’s. IRL they are ranking very low and only pass due to low pricing. Good Top Gear reviews around for that…

Wolfman64 wrote

Not in the market for an iX3 but a pretty clueless comment.
Lots of interior bits I don’t care for but it performs where it matters.
The driving dynamics…
Tesla was a benchmark EV many years ago but those days are gone. But that’s also the case with most Chinese EV’s which for some reason gets a lot of credit from people that have never driven them.

Invasive interior tech, fantastic charging tech, low efficency and shitty driving dynamics.
Cars made to last for a couple of years.

The UK is a good benchmark for Chinese EV’s. IRL they are ranking very low and only pass due to low pricing.

Clueless comment? Have you driven the car to say it has better driving dynamics than a Tesla?

Check out Matt Watsons review who is a self proclaimed BMW fanboy but in the recent comparison rated the Audi Q6 etron and Model Y as more fun and called the IX3 as something that feels the heaviest and not fun. If you wish to just believe all the paid reviews and turning blind to what you see. All the power to you mate!

MontyB1 wrote

That is NOT the view of those that have the car in what they are seeing in real world driving of the car with and without the usage of Eco and max range. Several in this forum have seen 400+ miles on a normal drive in currently cool temperates and the charging speeds if you can find a charger are great.

There is no real comparable Tesla either IMO, the Y isn't really an SUV, you barely sit much higher than a y and its very low in comparison, space maybe, looks that's an individual thing.

Car Wow (British blog) did a great comparison between the IX3, an Audi, and an AWD Tesla Model Y. Tesla had more interior capacity than the BMW while real world range was about 10% less. I was surprised the real world range was so close. The Tesla AWD was also slightly faster. I think the IX3 is far more attractive than a Tesla MY but it hard to argue with the MY value proposition.

Windshieldfarmer wrote

MontyB1 wrote

That is NOT the view of those that have the car in what they are seeing in real world driving of the car with and without the usage of Eco and max range. Several in this forum have seen 400+ miles on a normal drive in currently cool temperates and the charging speeds if you can find a charger are great.

There is no real comparable Tesla either IMO, the Y isn't really an SUV, you barely sit much higher than a y and its very low in comparison, space maybe, looks that's an individual thing.

Car Wow (British blog) did a great comparison between the IX3, an Audi, and an AWD Tesla Model Y. Tesla had more interior capacity than the BMW while real world range was about 10% less. I was surprised the real world range was so close. The Tesla AWD was also slightly faster. I think the IX3 is far more attractive than a Tesla MY but it hard to argue with the MY value proposition.

The Y lost the 1/4 mile drag race even with Yianni jumping the start, and lost the rolling race too after taking a tiny lead at first, so it was not faster. It may have a slightly more abrupt initial acceleration but is overall not quicker(usually used to describe acceleration) nor faster(usually used to describe absolute speed) because it has a limiter earlier on.

Real world range was not properly compared in that video. You cannot compare cars based on their efficiency stats done by different people on different roads in different conditions. Even if it showed BMW ahead on range, that comparison was absolutely pointless and they should know better than that.

As for the trunk space, the stats themselves are measured differently between the German vehicles and the Tesla which is why you saw an almost 300L discrepancy between the iX3 and Y. Tesla measures floor (and likely underfloor as well) to ceiling whereas the German vehicles stats are floor (maybe underfloor too) to load cover. The fact that a pro review didn't catch that is disappointing. The Tesla has very good room for its size especially due to the undertrunk storage. but even though it fit 2 suitcases underneath the floor (to the iX3's 0) it only beat the iX3 total by 1. They really should switch to soft duffel bags and not hard boxes/suitcases as it would be more in line with how people actually pack. You might use a couple of hard suitcases but will probably use backpacks and other soft bags that can fit into irregular shapes. I would prefer showing a more typical family of 4 style packing with two big suitcases two small ones and a bunch of soft bags until completely full without going crazy to compress them.

carbonblackfun wrote

Wolfman64 wrote

Not in the market for an iX3 but a pretty clueless comment.
Lots of interior bits I don’t care for but it performs where it matters.
The driving dynamics…
Tesla was a benchmark EV many years ago but those days are gone. But that’s also the case with most Chinese EV’s which for some reason gets a lot of credit from people that have never driven them.

Invasive interior tech, fantastic charging tech, low efficency and shitty driving dynamics.
Cars made to last for a couple of years.

The UK is a good benchmark for Chinese EV’s. IRL they are ranking very low and only pass due to low pricing.

Clueless comment? Have you driven the car to say it has better driving dynamics than a Tesla?

Check out Matt Watsons review who is a self proclaimed BMW fanboy but in the recent comparison rated the Audi Q6 etron and Model Y as more fun and called the IX3 as something that feels the heaviest and not fun. If you wish to just believe all the paid reviews and turning blind to what you see. All the power to you mate!

Am scheduled to drive the iX3 in Germany. So we will see for sure. But am also familiar with Tesla models from the Plaid to the Model Y Performance and have driven the latest A6 eTron. Am also coming from a Lucid Air and have a couple i5's.
Much of my EV experience is on the Autobahn (Teslas in the US) and not through car wow. That said I know enough to disregard your comments as stated earlier...

carbonblackfun wrote

Possible if you drive at 50mph with Max range mode enabled. It won’t let you use all the power and climate control is disabled.

The car really isn’t what reviewers and influencers are pushing it to be. It’s better than BMW’s previous take on electric cars for sure but the EV industry is way ahead.

With a usable 108kwh pack, real world range will be in the low 300’s which isn’t bad but with cheaped out interior, BMW sure is doing a good job at getting rave reviews. I mean basic luxury features are missing from the car and no one is saying a word. It has got steel suspension with no option to upgrade, no cooled seats even as an option, the cabin uses cheap fabric instead of leather,no dual pane glass, I see no stitching on door cards or the dash or the airbar cover. No seatback pockets, rear seats can’t be released from the truck. No shade for the sunroof not even an electrochromic glass. The worst looking steering in the segment and I can go on and on.

Congratulations to anyone who plans on buying the car just because they are loyal to BMW. I detest the Tesla Model Y design but it is a far superior EV which is also cheaper.

The interior of the iX3 seems perfectly in line with the class of vehicle it is in. There are a couple of things in your list that indeed would have been nice to have but many complaints seem misplaced if you are then going to say that the Model Y is a far superior EV... You can option very good leather for the seats and the rest of the materials are on par for the class it is in (i.e. 3 series/entry level premium/luxury) whereas the Y gives you vinyl seats. It is decent vinyl, and they add decent padding under the surface to be fair, but it is not on par with merino leather. The car indeed uses steel suspension (that you haven't tried and cannot tell if it is good on your roads or not)and that your coveted model Y also uses except on the performance version, and if we talk about cheap fabric, the suede like material in the model Y cabin feels so thin and cheap that if you told me it was spraypainted on there I might believe you. The rest of the interior of the Y looks and feels cheap and doesn't age well at all (based on all previous versions). A shade for the glass roof would have been nice but BMW at least uses IR/UV blocking glass like in the iX which don't allow heat in, unlike the Tesla glass roofs, even the latest one that is more tinted. Yes the Y offers dual pane windows and yet is still louder than EVs without it. Pretty sure it is still louder than the iX3 cabin. The steering wheel with the vertical spoke is not something you have to get; the other one looks much less awkward.

Then there is the EV specific stuff.... The iX3 has a more power dense pack, bigger capacity pack, efficiency that is better than the Y (although close) which gives much better range with the bigger battery, faster charging. Even if it was limited to 400V chargers, the iX3 would still outperform the charging of the Y. BMWs now have access to most superchargers in north america so they don't have that advantage either... maybe the Tesla route planning is still better although I think it doesn't offer 3rd party NACS chargers to users by default(correct me if I am wrong).

You can choose not to like the styling of either car, that is obviously subjective, and you may want something more luxurious and spacious than the iX3, and that's fair, but the rave reviews are a result of the car being good, not some weird conspiracy to push positive reviews.

wonder what that will be with real world, should still be super good

Jason wrote

The 2027 iX3 50 xDrive is now listed with 434 miles range on the BMW US website!

The website only states 400 miles unless I am missing this elsewhere.
If BMW lists the range on their US site like this, it would be based either on the given EPA range or its estimate of the upcoming result rather than looking at the WLTP range which is well above that.

Agreed, the carwow range comparison was ridiculous.

Paraphrasing:

"We have no idea how it's been driven, but looked at the trip meter and estimate it can do 320ish miles"

Meanwhile Autogefuhl and Bjorn Nayland have done 450-500 miles at normal speeds.

In fact Bjorn did 317 miles at a constant 75mph!

Here's the official EPA document for the iX3 50 xDrive with 20" summer tires (the most efficient). If you apply the standard EPA 70% multiplier per EPA rules to the 651, you get a range of 456 miles on the EPA cycle. If this was Rivian or Tesla, that would be the exact published range. Manufacturers are allowed to, and BMW does, haircut this to obtain more real world achievable number. Whether BMW ends up with 434 or 400 miles, the Tesla/Rivian apples-to-apples EPA number is 456 miles. For the 21" wheels, it would be 421 miles.

Windshieldfarmer wrote

MontyB1 wrote

That is NOT the view of those that have the car in what they are seeing in real world driving of the car with and without the usage of Eco and max range. Several in this forum have seen 400+ miles on a normal drive in currently cool temperates and the charging speeds if you can find a charger are great.

There is no real comparable Tesla either IMO, the Y isn't really an SUV, you barely sit much higher than a y and its very low in comparison, space maybe, looks that's an individual thing.

Car Wow (British blog) did a great comparison between the IX3, an Audi, and an AWD Tesla Model Y. Tesla had more interior capacity than the BMW while real world range was about 10% less. I was surprised the real world range was so close. The Tesla AWD was also slightly faster. I think the IX3 is far more attractive than a Tesla MY but it hard to argue with the MY value proposition.

MMmm I thought it was pretty poor to be honest and seemed rather biased. He and Carwow seem to be very pro Tesla, not sure why maybe him getting one for his mum or wider platform engagement don't know. The real world was just crazy as to how they came to the values. Table attached below show a less biased view of range at least, the rest is obviously subjective, this wasn't even on the most efficient wheels either so could have been better.

ggalanis wrote

The interior of the iX3 seems perfectly in line with the class of vehicle it is in. There are a couple of things in your list that indeed would have been nice to have

It's also worth noting that some of the reporting shortcomings are likely and even scheduled to be addressed as options as production proceeds, e.g., adaptive suspension. We haven't even seen the US ordering web page, so can't be certain what will or will not be available Day 1 in the US.

The EPA documents also confirm curb weight of 5154 lbs (likely including Panoramic Roof, HK, maybe 21" wheels in US numbers per take rate rules).

Battery weighs 1316 lbs with energy density of 190 Wh/kg (25% better than in i4).

Max AC charging rate of 15.4 kw (7 hours 45 mins to full) in US model.

MontyB1 wrote

Windshieldfarmer wrote

Car Wow (British blog) did a great comparison between the IX3, an Audi, and an AWD Tesla Model Y. Tesla had more interior capacity than the BMW while real world range was about 10% less. I was surprised the real world range was so close. The Tesla AWD was also slightly faster. I think the IX3 is far more attractive than a Tesla MY but it hard to argue with the MY value proposition.

MMmm I thought it was pretty poor to be honest and seemed rather biased. He and Carwow seem to be very pro Tesla, not sure why maybe him getting one for his mum or wider platform engagement don't know. The real world was just crazy as to how they came to the values. Table attached below show a less biased view of range at least, the rest is obviously subjective, this wasn't even on the most efficient wheels either so could have been better.

If you only look at the official EPA testing data in equivalent conditions, the BMW should have by far the best range versus its US competitors (at least until the Volvo EX60 comes out).

It has both a much bigger battery pack and better battery density than Tesla or Rivian.

Tesla still wins on efficiency, chiefly by being much lighter, but you can feel where Tesla made significant compromises to save weight.

iX3 still pretty competitive on efficiency given the size of the battery and especially compared to the Gen 5 EVs like i4.

Sudtirol wrote

If you only look at the official EPA testing data in equivalent conditions, the BMW should have by far the best range versus its US competitors (at least until the Volvo EX60 comes out).

It has both a much bigger battery pack and better battery density than Tesla or Rivian.

Tesla still wins on efficiency, chiefly by being much lighter, but you can feel where Tesla made significant compromises to save weight.

iX3 still pretty competitive on efficiency given the size of the battery and especially compared to the Gen 5 EVs like i4.

That chart is very informative. Tesla very much remains the high value proposition, but I am impressed with the improved density of the IX3 batteries and overall efficiency.