[Mavus]

Originally Posted by justjoey011

I’ve been patiently waiting for the G45 and having read a lot of comments about the interior quality, I’m second guessing purchasing one next year. Has anyone thought of a Genesis GV70? Have been reviewing the face-lifted 2025 in Korea and I’m impressed! Just not sure about the reliability and wonder if I should lease one and hope the LCI G45 improves on the interior. Had read that given the G45 was in development during COVID and parts shortages, they de contented the car.

my friend bought it over x3 40i last year. he said gv70 rides better and has nicer interior. the car has been problem free so far and he has no regrets. it is also on my short list. Macan has no space in the back and is way overpriced for raised hatch.

tbh it seems that even cx-5 has nicer interior.

[hb]

Originally Posted by ///M TOWN

Maybe not on this platform but I’d expect it on the Electric Neue Klasse platform

There’s an opportunity to make money and anytime they can apply M tax they certainly will

iX3M Neue Klasse is coming. Not news really, been writing about it for a while. Codename ZA5

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by hb

iX3M Neue Klasse is coming. Not news really, been writing about it for a while. Codename ZA5

I’ll get excited when it finally arrives

Until then it’s Vaporware

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by Mavus

my friend bought it over x3 40i last year. he said gv70 rides better and has nicer interior. the car has been problem free so far and he has no regrets. it is also on my short list. Macan has no space in the back and is way overpriced for raised hatch.

tbh it seems that even cx-5 has nicer interior.

The Macan is the segment benchmark

Porsche is completely next level

[BMW5151]

Originally Posted by 8GranCouper

For those who were able to sit in the new X3, how does it compare to the X1/X2? Got to sit in a new X2 last month and was extremely impressed with the interior especially at the price point. Is the X3 a downgrade from that?

I was looking for a new X1 to compare it to during my visit. They didn't have any available to see. With the current recall/stop sale for the 5s, 7s, and i believe some X5 models - their inventory is highly impacted.

[MidnightLight]

Originally Posted by Mavus

my friend bought it over x3 40i last year. he said gv70 rides better and has nicer interior. the car has been problem free so far and he has no regrets. it is also on my short list.

Definitely test drive the GV70 yourself before you decide. I drove both the 2.5T and 3.5T trim levels of the GV70, and the driving experience couldn't hold a candle to the X3 M40i. The Genesis leans way more towards comfort than sporty.

[avi66]

Originally Posted by MidnightLight

Dang you Brits are a tough crowd to please!

We call a spade a spade.

Not really a tough crowd, just different tastes and quality perception. Possibly the reason historically BMW UK makes some items standard or an option here on some models, that are not even offered in other markets.

Maybe some markets are happy with any old crap, and the bar is set pretty low with the G45.

[avi66]

Originally Posted by 8GranCouper

Is the standard dash wrapped in sensatec/leatherette or just plain soft plastic?

Depends on the model, M package and seat material choice.

In the UK this is what we get -

XLine is textured plastic dash across all seat material options.

M Sport pack adds Sensatec covered with the weird stitching across all seat options.

The “Luxury Fabric Dash” made or recycled polyester is a cost option.

[my_beemmer]

Sat in M50 today. Here are my observations

The good

+ Car looks really good from outside. I really liked the exterior especially the headlights and taillights.

+ The interior looks quite modern and futuristic. Personally I’m in favor of fewer buttons, but don’t prefer “no buttons” either. This is a good mix of both worlds.

+ Loved the center console and infotainment! Feels premium and clean.

+ The interaction bar wasn’t a distraction at all in outdoor setting (I saw the car in natural daylight). If anything the center console felt premium because to that.

+ The steering was really hefty, and felt good in hands.

+ The sports seats are amazing and super comfortable. I didn’t expect that! You have controls for seat bolsters too.

+ Rear seats are quite spacious too. Though they are a bit firm when compared to front seats, but they felt firm in a good way. They are definitely angled well for better posture. Not sure how comfortable they would be during long drives though.

+ I personally loved the vent direction controls. They felt sturdy and made of high quality. I liked the design too. You would have good amount of resistance when using them to give you a sense of heftiness to it.

+ The rear cup holders have a mat at the bottom (similar to the “jewelry box”) which made it feel more coherent and premium.

+ Front and rear cup holders are adaptive, and feel like they would hold up in the long run.

+ The trunk is huge!

The bad

- I’m glad I didn’t go for the cloth/fabric dash. It is very harsh to touch, and makes me wonder how it’ll hold up and what a nightmare it’ll be to clean! Wouldn’t recommend anyone to get that. Not sure what were the designers smoking when they decided “this will give a more premium feel”. (Also, adds Mini vibes)

- The door buttons (window buttons) are made of extremely poor quality. I’m pretty certain they won’t hold up in the long run. Even a Chevrolet has better and softer “window buttons” when compared to X3!!! This is a major turn off for me! So much so that this made me wonder if this was an error, or a problem with production! I’ve actually sent an email to BMW about this! (Haven’t heard back obviously)

- The door handles are also of plastic, while they aren’t premium in feel, they aren’t as bad as the window buttons! I’m sure anyone buying an X3 would get used to them and could easily ignore them.

- The island in front with lock/unlock button along the fan control is a mixed bag. The whole plastic moves if you press!! Which doesn’t make any sense at all! Made me wonder if it’ll fall off after few months or in 1-2 years. It is an area of high interaction and should have been designed better.

- As emergency lights/hazard lights are built into interaction bar, it took me a few tries to turn them on. While not a real issue, jut wanted to call out that it may take getting used to.

Hope this is helpful!

[avi66]

Originally Posted by my_beemmer

Sat in M50 today. Here are my observations

The good

+ Car looks really good from outside. I really liked the exterior especially the headlights and taillights.

+ The interior looks quite modern and futuristic. Personally I’m in favor of fewer buttons, but don’t prefer “no buttons” either. This is a good mix of both worlds.

+ Loved the center console and infotainment! Feels premium and clean.

+ The interaction bar wasn’t a distraction at all in outdoor setting (I saw the car in natural daylight). If anything the center console felt premium because to that.

+ The steering was really hefty, and felt good in hands.

+ The sports seats are amazing and super comfortable. I didn’t expect that! You have controls for seat bolsters too.

+ Rear seats are quite spacious too. Though they are a bit firm when compared to front seats, but they felt firm in a good way. They are definitely angled well for better posture. Not sure how comfortable they would be during long drives though.

+ I personally loved the vent direction controls. They felt sturdy and made of high quality. I liked the design too. You would have good amount of resistance when using them to give you a sense of heftiness to it.

+ The rear cup holders have a mat at the bottom (similar to the “jewelry box”) which made it feel more coherent and premium.

+ Front and rear cup holders are adaptive, and feel like they would hold up in the long run.

+ The trunk is huge!

The bad

- I’m glad I didn’t go for the cloth/fabric dash. It is very harsh to touch, and makes me wonder how it’ll hold up and what a nightmare it’ll be to clean! Wouldn’t recommend anyone to get that. Not sure what were the designers smoking when they decided “this will give a more premium feel”. (Also, adds Mini vibes)

- The door buttons (window buttons) are made of extremely poor quality. I’m pretty certain they won’t hold up in the long run. Even a Chevrolet has better and softer “window buttons” when compared to X3!!! This is a major turn off for me! So much so that this made me wonder if this was an error, or a problem with production! I’ve actually sent an email to BMW about this! (Haven’t heard back obviously)

- The door handles are also of plastic, while they aren’t premium in feel, they aren’t as bad as the window buttons! I’m sure anyone buying an X3 would get used to them and could easily ignore them.

- The island in front with lock/unlock button along the fan control is a mixed bag. The whole plastic moves if you press!! Which doesn’t make any sense at all! Made me wonder if it’ll fall off after few months or in 1-2 years. It is an area of high interaction and should have been designed better.

- As emergency lights/hazard lights are built into interaction bar, it took me a few tries to turn them on. While not a real issue, jut wanted to call out that it may take getting used to.

Hope this is helpful!

I’m glad we can focus on the mat at the bottom of the cup holder as the premium element . Good to know.

I’m also curious what’s amazing about the front seats compared to say BMW M Sport seats ?

Have you driven/owned many BMW’s ?

[JK479]

Originally Posted by TurtleBoy

Waiting on the G65 to see what that looks like. My current Cayenne S build is north of $140k so of course would welcome any discount I can get.

I always felt Porsche was the next step upA customizable but the quality is there too!

[JK479]

Originally Posted by The Libertine

I went from BMW, to Porsche, and after 2.5 years came back to BMW. Porsche experience/ownership neither offended nor excited me and, if anything, was a bit underwhelming. Definitely nothing special about it, IMHO. No regrets leaving Porsche for BMW.

I feel like BMW is an easier ownership. Loved my service adviser at Porsche. But BMW just feels easier over all. More cars in service too- I was either always in a Macan or taycans (EV doesn’t sell well in north east). Couldn’t complain about the Taycan. Awesome rental.

[JK479]

Originally Posted by hotwasabipeas

It was almost $93,000. Yes, it's another level up from an X3 - at least if you want a Macan S or GTS. The Macan T would be closer to the price of a X3 M50 but more likely to be over $77,000 especially if you want to get some good options added such as air suspension or PTV+. The build quality and materials are fantastic and the smell from the leather interior is intoxicating.

I was waiting to see this x3 but maybe it’s time to go back to Porsche.

I’d even be happy with the 24- prefer those tails over The 25 .2 for Cayenne.

[avi66]

Originally Posted by 8GranCouper

For those who were able to sit in the new X3, how does it compare to the X1/X2? Got to sit in a new X2 last month and was extremely impressed with the interior especially at the price point. Is the X3 a downgrade from that?

In terms of premium look and feel material, yes, it’s a downgrade. According to some journalist/BMW executive interaction, BMW were forced to cut cost, and the G45 interior is sub par because of that, and not ideally where BMW wanted it to be.

[myg45]

Originally Posted by my_beemmer

Sat in M50 today. Here are my observations

The good

+ Car looks really good from outside. I really liked the exterior especially the headlights and taillights.

+ The interior looks quite modern and futuristic. Personally I’m in favor of fewer buttons, but don’t prefer “no buttons” either. This is a good mix of both worlds.

+ Loved the center console and infotainment! Feels premium and clean.

+ The interaction bar wasn’t a distraction at all in outdoor setting (I saw the car in natural daylight). If anything the center console felt premium because to that.

+ The steering was really hefty, and felt good in hands.

+ The sports seats are amazing and super comfortable. I didn’t expect that! You have controls for seat bolsters too.

+ Rear seats are quite spacious too. Though they are a bit firm when compared to front seats, but they felt firm in a good way. They are definitely angled well for better posture. Not sure how comfortable they would be during long drives though.

+ I personally loved the vent direction controls. They felt sturdy and made of high quality. I liked the design too. You would have good amount of resistance when using them to give you a sense of heftiness to it.

+ The rear cup holders have a mat at the bottom (similar to the “jewelry box”) which made it feel more coherent and premium.

+ Front and rear cup holders are adaptive, and feel like they would hold up in the long run.

+ The trunk is huge!

The bad

- I’m glad I didn’t go for the cloth/fabric dash. It is very harsh to touch, and makes me wonder how it’ll hold up and what a nightmare it’ll be to clean! Wouldn’t recommend anyone to get that. Not sure what were the designers smoking when they decided “this will give a more premium feel”. (Also, adds Mini vibes)

- The door buttons (window buttons) are made of extremely poor quality. I’m pretty certain they won’t hold up in the long run. Even a Chevrolet has better and softer “window buttons” when compared to X3!!! This is a major turn off for me! So much so that this made me wonder if this was an error, or a problem with production! I’ve actually sent an email to BMW about this! (Haven’t heard back obviously)

- The door handles are also of plastic, while they aren’t premium in feel, they aren’t as bad as the window buttons! I’m sure anyone buying an X3 would get used to them and could easily ignore them.

- The island in front with lock/unlock button along the fan control is a mixed bag. The whole plastic moves if you press!! Which doesn’t make any sense at all! Made me wonder if it’ll fall off after few months or in 1-2 years. It is an area of high interaction and should have been designed better.

- As emergency lights/hazard lights are built into interaction bar, it took me a few tries to turn them on. While not a real issue, jut wanted to call out that it may take getting used to.

Hope this is helpful!

What dealer did you visit? I need to check it out. Thanks,

[CurbBender'90]

Looks like a smaller sporty XM with horrible design cues…wack…

[nyalpine90]

this week I'm bring in my X3 for inspection, first oil change.
i wonder if the loaners will be new gen X3.

[S EyeLand]

Originally Posted by Fugly M3

So happy I went with the brand new $93,610 MSRP base Cayenne I got for $81,440 over the $72k ish X3 I had built. Best $9k premium yet.

Porsche is having a laugh at BMW right now. The G90, this and the XM make me want to kick the design team in the groin. Feels like BMW let someone with that Game of Thrones final season type of brain suddenly start making all design decisions. Take something nearly perfect, universally liked and turn it into something repulsive. Why?

[avi66]

Originally Posted by S EyeLand

Porsche is having a laugh at BMW right now. The G90, this and the XM make me want to kick the design team in the groin. Feels like BMW let someone with that Game of Thrones final season type of brain suddenly start making all design decisions. Take something nearly perfect, universally liked and turn it into something repulsive. Why?

Move people towards the next new EV products, particularly in Europe.

[SB1]

My local BMW dealer in Switzerland had an unveiling event for the BMW X3 last weekend. They showed the hybrid model in Brooklyn Grey and with the m sport pack (unfortunately, we weren’t allowed to take pictures). These were my initial impressions:

- the car looks longer and lower than the current X3. It was under a sheet before the reveal and the shape looked more like a station wagon than a SUV
- in the flesh, it’s got real presence and the wide haunches and long bonnet give the design an appealing sense of power (at least to my eyes)
- the interior mimics the monolithic exterior design insofar as it is pared down and focuses on a few key elements (the steering wheel, multimedia screen, and what BMW call the ‘jewellery box’ (ie the key tray / cup holders)) rather than having lots of little design details. The dash design comes across as more individualistic and much more contemporary than the current model. Yes, there are fewer premium materials than previously but everything seems chunky and substantial, and the seats and steering wheel seem like a step up in terms of quality and design
- I wasn’t too bothered by the plastic door handles as their design seems in keeping with the overall interior design. The door panels containing the window switches and the switches themselves, however, do feel very cheap. It wouldn’t be a deal breaker for me but they are disappointingly poor quality. And I don’t understand why BMW couldn’t spend just a little more money to put a metal edge on the window switches or offer a design upgrade as an option
- the other thing that struck me is that the dash is very upright and shallow and, with the multimedia screen right in front of you, it feels like you have to peer over a small wall to see through the windscreen. It’s also difficult to see the edges of the long bonnet so it will be a tricky car to manoeuvre in tight parking spaces

[BMW5151]

Originally Posted by S EyeLand

Porsche is having a laugh at BMW right now. The G90, this and the XM make me want to kick the design team in the groin. Feels like BMW let someone with that Game of Thrones final season type of brain suddenly start making all design decisions. Take something nearly perfect, universally liked and turn it into something repulsive. Why?

You'll be happy that BMW has "restructured' the design team - but the results won't be known for years. The newer models are just starting on their 7 year cycles. Just pray for some upgrade in quality for the interiors at LCI. Unless you are in a hurry, just wait 3.5 yrs for the LCI G45.

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by BMW5151

You'll be happy that BMW has "restructured' the design team - but the results won't be known for years. The newer models are just starting on their 7 year cycles. Just pray for some upgrade in quality for the interiors at LCI. Unless you are in a hurry, just wait 3.5 yrs for the LCI G45.

Actually a little over four years. The G45 LCI will go into production in November of 2028.