The unacceptable danger of modern track-day coaching - Road & Track

[pkimM3r]

Originally Posted by 1MOREMOD

Isn't it faster to scrub speed with tires, brakes and engine braking than brakes alone. I think I overdrive the car and for me it's faster, at the expense of the tires. My data shows me cooking it into corners faster than I should and making thru in i guess unorthodox way is more effective.

i hate when my food is overcooked at the expense of my tires.

[1MOREMOD]

Originally Posted by pkimM3r

i hate when my food is overcooked at the expense of my tires.

S54 burrito?

[pkimM3r]

hmm...

i think in general, smoother is faster but you have to be smooth at the limit of grip.

for the everyday joe, i think we are missing the "at the limit of grip" portion when we say smoother is faster. and its def very hard to be at that point of traction without breaking the limit and making slight corrections.

now, going pretty fast through a turn and being smooth is definitely for sure faster than just power sliding through it that is for sure.

if entry speed is the same, is being smooth faster than someone who is on the throttle earlier on exit and having to make a slight correction (slight as in just to straighten out with not much yaw angle)?

I'm not so sure, because one guy is still not on the gas, and still scrubbing speed, while the other guy is already accelerating out -albeit that during the correction of the steering wheel, the acceleration rate is decreased, but nonetheless, still accelerating vs the other guy who hasnt got on the throttle yet.

what do you guys think?

i dont think you can be the fastest when smooth until you have learned how to drive over the edge. at least from then on, you can dial it down to optimal speeds and be smooth. but until then smooth is typically slower.

[pkimM3r]

Originally Posted by 1MOREMOD

S54 burrito?

I'm not mexican

but i love an al pastor burrito, no beans no cheese no rice, just meat, some pineapple, and onion and cilantro after some heavy drinking of shots of soju all night.

[1MOREMOD]

Originally Posted by pkimM3r

I'm not mexican

but i love an al pastor burrito, no beans no cheese no rice, just meat, some pineapple, and onion and cilantro after some heavy drinking of shots of soju all night.

Everybody loves mexican, even koreans. It's like pizza and burgers, and well beer. If you don't like that stuff gtfo.

[bigjae1976]

Originally Posted by 1MOREMOD

Isn't it faster to scrub speed with tires, brakes and engine braking than brakes alone. I think I overdrive the car and for me it's faster, at the expense of the tires. My data shows me cooking it into corners faster than I should and making thru in i guess unorthodox way is more effective.

I just close my eyes and turn the wheel. Works out most of the time.

[pkimM3r]

Originally Posted by 1MOREMOD

Everybody loves mexican, even koreans. It's like pizza and burgers, and well beer. If you don't like that stuff gtfo.

hard liquor > beer

burgers > pizza

I've pretty much retired pizza besides at this one place where its a 4" pan pizza.

[1MOREMOD]

Originally Posted by bigjae1976

I just close my eyes and turn the wheel. Works out most of the time.

Yeah that's for when I step up my game.

[1MOREMOD]

Originally Posted by pkimM3r

hard liquor > beer

burgers > pizza

I've pretty much retired pizza besides at this one place where its a 4" pan pizza.

Don't agree they all have their place and are equal. I like booze but wouldn't give up beer. Kind of like hookers vs strippers.

[pkimM3r]

Originally Posted by 1MOREMOD

Don't agree they all have their place and are equal. I like booze but wouldn't give up beer. Kind of like hookers vs strippers.

i dont really drink much beer unless to supplement the other liquor lol

[1MOREMOD]

Originally Posted by pkimM3r

i dont really drink much beer unless to supplement the other liquor lol

Use it like water during the day.

[armyav8tor]

This is a better promo video IMO. Smooth like butter. Demonstrates great car (kart) control instead of keeping the throttle down and hacking at the steering wheel.

[pkimM3r]

Originally Posted by armyav8tor

This is a better promo video IMO. Smooth like butter. Demonstrates great car (kart) control instead of keeping the throttle down and hacking at the steering wheel.

you cant compare those two lol.

[1MOREMOD]

Originally Posted by pkimM3r

you cant compare those two lol.

Aren't they the same weight?

[pkimM3r]

Originally Posted by 1MOREMOD

Aren't they the same weight?

cup car prob a little lighter.

[1MOREMOD]

Originally Posted by armyav8tor

This is a better promo video IMO. Smooth like butter. Demonstrates great car (kart) control instead of keeping the throttle down and hacking at the steering wheel.

He's not at the limit otherwise he would be moar sideways like pkm.

[pkimM3r]

Originally Posted by 1MOREMOD

He's not at the limit otherwise he would be moar sideways like pkm.

he does look like he is steering right for left turns and left for right turns. unless he modified his steering column to do that or if he is tracking out before apex already.

[WarrantyTracker]

I never quote Billy Joel, but somtimes he's right. From Glass Houses:

There's a new band in town
But you can't get the sound
From a story in a magazine.
Baby, it's your average scene.

Get an instructor, get to the track, and see what he or she has to teach you. They all have something new and different to offer you. Come knowing what kind of driver it's your goal to become, and communicate that to them before you start. Listen to them as hard as you can and try to execute their instructions to the best of your ability. Be grateful to them for the skills they impart, with patience and courage.

If you've moved out of the instructed groups, I'll bet there's still something you could learn from an instructor, even another one out of your group.

Or hire that Mike Skeen guy. Reputedly, 2:14 at VIR full in a spec E30. Just sayin.

This sport is dangerous, but it's still safer than skiing. Safer than driving to the track, for that matter.

[bigjae1976]

Originally Posted by WarrantyTracker

I never quote Billy Joel, but somtimes he's right. From Glass Houses:

There's a new band in town
But you can't get the sound
From a story in a magazine.
Baby, it's your average scene.

Get an instructor, get to the track, and see what he or she has to teach you. They all have something new and different to offer you. Come knowing what kind of driver it's your goal to become, and communicate that to them before you start. Listen to them as hard as you can and try to execute their instructions to the best of your ability. Be grateful to them for the skills they impart, with patience and courage.

If you've moved out of the instructed groups, I'll bet there's still something you could learn from an instructor, even another one out of your group.

Or hire that Mike Skeen guy. Reputedly, 2:14 at VIR full in a spec E30. Just sayin.

This sport is dangerous, but it's still safer than skiing. Safer than driving to the track, for that matter.

Safer than ice hockey!

[M3 Esq]

Originally Posted by bigjae1976

Safer than ice hockey!

True. You won't take a puck to the nuts on the track and you're likely to keep your teeth.

[pkimM3r]

Originally Posted by M3 Esq

True. You won't take a puck to the nuts on the track and you're likely to keep your teeth.

but then again you wont hit deer in an ice rink

[bigjae1976]

Originally Posted by pkimM3r

but then again you wont hit deer in an ice rink

Actually the sport I've been injured the most in is...basketball. Yes, a girl sport.

So from dangerous to safe...basketball > skiing > ice hockey > track driving