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Some of the Genesis models look pretty good, but I can't shake the affiliation with Hyundai. They make a decent product now, but back when they started, they were junk.
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09-15-2024, 05:38 PM | #25 |
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I realize they are Hyundai. That is why I'll never own one. I had one of the early Hyundai's when I was younger and it was such a POS I vowed never to again buy one.
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I get it. I felt the same way after an Audi 100LS many decades ago. Then, my wife fell in love with a brand-new A6 and after all these years, I relented. It was still/again very poor quality (POS, indeed!) and frequently being repaired. We dumped it after 18 months. My pledge was renewed! Never again, Audi. And, no, it doesn’t matter how “premium” they make a low-quality car!
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Neither the cars nor the corporate customer support people at BMW ever treated me with dishonesty and disregard or produced as low a quality car for me as did Audi. This is our seventh BMW and not my last. Check the brand recommendations at Consumer Reports, who has large sample data based on their subscriber base…not from enthusiasts, as one wouldn’t expect from CR.
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09-15-2024, 08:40 PM | #29 |
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BMW undoubtedly made a conscious decision to accept the risks of perceived quality erosion while reducing costs. It’s not something a premium car manufacturer takes lightly. But cars have to be profitable and now it’s up to the market - and BMW drivers - to accept it or not.
The sales statistics will tell a story when released. |
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09-15-2024, 08:45 PM | #30 |
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back when I bought my first BMW, a 5-series, I instantly felt like I was in a premium car. Back then, other cars felt cheap.
Fast forward 20 years to 2024. I drove a brand-new 540i at the dealer. After the test drive, I honestly didn't get the "premium" feeling. Don't get me wrong, it was very nice, but just didn't have the premium vibe. The 2023 and earlier X3 also felt just okay to me. Almost like another average SUV, just more expensive with more expensive options. Still not the premium feeling. I have a 2025 X3 on order and I fully expect to feel the same. To be honest, if I want a premium SUV, I'll probably walk across the street to the Porsche dealer... or even Range Rover dealer. |
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I understand Porsche, but take a look at the end of the second paragraph in post #14 above before you do that!
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"low quality/high premiumness: Jaguar" I agree with that completely. The Jaguar that I used to love is no more. My aunt once bought a brand new Jaguar XJR(?) and it screamed premium/luxury. For the love of god, the floormats were sheepskin and my shoes literally sank into them. There were also walnut burl fold-down tray tables that looked as nice as the wood on a $126k Bosendorfer piano. |
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I'm looking to move from my current 330 to an X3 sometime early '25. Having been a passenger in an X3 previously, I thought they were very nice, especially the last few years' models...but now I am starting to get worried about this next generation.
My worst consistent fit and finish gripe with the 3 series cars I've had is BMWs propensity to stick hard, plastic surfaces against one another that will cause the eventual and annoying (to me) creaking that sounds like an empty plastic water bottle being lightly squeezed. My current M Sport 330 is pretty fantastic in all respects, and at this point this plastic stuff is at a minimum, but I read about that potential quality and cost-cutting issues of the G45 and I am pretty worried. In any event, I am looking forward to a real, unbiased review of one of these. I'm hoping the G45 is not a plastic nightmare. Last edited by Rayneman; 09-16-2024 at 05:08 PM.. |
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Not only that, but the engine options in US are different to those offered in the UK. Last time I checked the UK models there was no six cylinder option, only 4 pot.
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Between this and a slow down in the Chinese market BMW has paused production at its Dingolfing plat affect ping 12000 staff. |
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