[FriskyDingo]

I don't get all the fapping to the ACR, honestly. I mean, it's an impressive car from a capability standpoint, but it's compromised road behavior would be a deal breaker for me. For an outright track slut, I'd rather start with something cheap and build it the way I wanted.

The people gloating over it's lap times couldn't duplicate them, anyway.

[DocWeatherington]

I wonder how much faster the GT3 RS would be if it was in the same power league as the others... Another 150Hp and additional 300ft-lbs of torque.

.24 secs can easily be made up on the str8s... An yeah I think it would probably cost 2 arms and 3 legs for a GT whatever it would be called..

Respect to Chevy & Dodge

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by FriskyDingo

I don't get all the fapping to the ACR, honestly. I mean, it's an impressive car from a capability standpoint, but it's compromised road behavior would be a deal breaker for me. For an outright track slut, I'd rather start with something cheap and build it the way I wanted.

The people gloating over it's lap times couldn't duplicate them, anyway.

I've never claimed to be a track guy although I think I'd do fairly well on any track after some seat time.
Anyway, there are some track guys on here whom could probably nuzzle that car close to their time.

But what gets me regarding this site is the holy grail bs given to a piece of paper. One member once stated he looks at cars in relation to their Nurburgring times.

Really?

[FriskyDingo]

Originally Posted by gonzo

I've never claimed to be a track guy although I think I'd do fairly well on any track after some seat time.
Anyway, there are some track guys on here whom could probably nuzzle that car close to their time.

But what gets me regarding this site is the holy grail bs given to a piece of paper. One member once stated he looks at cars in relation to their Nurburgring times.

Really?

Exactly. I buy cars, not spec sheets.

[AW335TT]

Cars come with spec sheets.

The thing I like about the ACR is probably what you hate. I love how focused it is to one particular thing. I really don't care how good it is on the street, I'm sure it'll be fine for me. Since I'm not 50 and don't have any back problems, I don't mind super stiff cars.

Also, I'd like to buy a car that is far more capable than I am. If I can easily reach the cars limits, I'd get bored. Obviously it's not a daily. For the money, the ACR can't be beat.

What piece of paper are you referring to?

[See5]

Originally Posted by DocWeatherington

I wonder how much faster the GT3 RS would be if it was in the same power league as the others... Another 150Hp and additional 300ft-lbs of torque.

.24 secs can easily be made up on the str8s... An yeah I think it would probably cost 2 arms and 3 legs for a GT whatever it would be called..

Respect to Chevy & Dodge

You could also say, "what would Chevy or Dodge do if they could afford to build their cars to a $200-250K price point?"

Run what ya brung...

[RedGT3]

Originally Posted by See5

You could also say, "what would Chevy or Dodge do if they could afford to build their cars to a $200-250K price point?"

Run what ya brung...

What's stoping them. They are in this business to make money right.

[DieGrüneHölle]

Originally Posted by FriskyDingo

I don't believe that 'stock' time. That's far outside of the range of auto publications to this point.

There is more than one example. They are stock times. Head over to the vette forums. The right track and a good DA can do wonders. Auto publication 1/4 mile numbers are for sh*t for any car. Once owners get their hands on the car, you can really see what they can do. C6 Z06 was the same way. Owners ran much quicker times than the mags, including Ranger's 10sec pass.

[DocWeatherington]

Originally Posted by See5

You could also say, "what would Chevy or Dodge do if they could afford to build their cars to a $200-250K price point?"

Run what ya brung...

Agree

[Nitrousbird]

Originally Posted by DocWeatherington

I wonder how much faster the GT3 RS would be if it was in the same power league as the others... Another 150Hp and additional 300ft-lbs of torque.

I wonder how much faster/nicer the ACR would be if Dodge priced it $50,000 higher. That buys a shit ton of upgrades and still less expensive than the GT3 RS...

GT3 RS is overprice, period, end of story, anyone who disagrees needs their head checked.

[NickyC]

Originally Posted by David70

I think reality is virtually everyone is headed to work or running errands and not trying to hit the best lap time and the viper is pretty poor for how most people use their cars.

U.S. Sales
2010 ---392
2011 ---197
2012 --- 20
2013 ---591
2014 ---760
2015 ---676

Right on, but it's just such a badass looking car to begin with. Vettes and P-cars are a dime a dozen, while the Viper just grabs your attention every time. I love 'em.

[M3guy3]

Originally Posted by David70

I think reality is virtually everyone is headed to work or running errands and not trying to hit the best lap time and the viper is pretty poor for how most people use their cars.

U.S. Sales
2010 ---392
2011 ---197
2012 --- 20
2013 ---591
2014 ---760
2015 ---676

a car this great with such low production numbers. its going to be worth something in the future

[FriskyDingo]

Originally Posted by AW335TT

Cars come with spec sheets.

The thing I like about the ACR is probably what you hate. I love how focused it is to one particular thing. I really don't care how good it is on the street, I'm sure it'll be fine for me. Since I'm not 50 and don't have any back problems, I don't mind super stiff cars.

Also, I'd like to buy a car that is far more capable than I am. If I can easily reach the cars limits, I'd get bored. Obviously it's not a daily. For the money, the ACR can't be beat.

What piece of paper are you referring to?

Yes they do, and when the differences between them become minute percentages, and they are figures I couldn't duplicate anyway, it's a rather moot point to me.

One car can lap the Ring 6 seconds faster than another, and it won't matter to me. Especially if the slower car is still running 7:30's. I'm not going to the Ring anyway, and couldn't match the times if I did.

On the other hand, I can get behind the history, prestige, and engineering of the Porsche a whole lot more. So that's what I'd rather have. But like I said, I'd rather start with something cheap and build my own track car, anyway. Something like an E36, FR-S, etc as a basis, and done to my specs and liking. That is much more enticing to me.

[AW335TT]

Ya 6 seconds on the ring isn't a big deal.

Almost 5 seconds on a 1:30 track is.

History and prestige? So you want a Porsche because it's a Porsche. That's cool.

[FriskyDingo]

Originally Posted by AW335TT

Ya 6 seconds on the ring isn't a big deal.

Almost 5 seconds on a 1:30 track is.

History and prestige? So you want a Porsche because it's a Porsche. That's cool.

It was 3 seconds, and still a metric that I would put very little stock in.

As for the last bit, if that's you want to sum it up, sure.

[AW335TT]

Originally Posted by FriskyDingo

It was 3 seconds, and still a metric that I would put very little stock in.

As for the last bit, if that's you want to sum it up, sure.

3 seconds in that video but the ACR has posted a better lap than that. 1:28:xx

[David70]

Originally Posted by AW335TT

Cars come with spec sheets.

The thing I like about the ACR is probably what you hate. I love how focused it is to one particular thing. I really don't care how good it is on the street, I'm sure it'll be fine for me. Since I'm not 50 and don't have any back problems, I don't mind super stiff cars.

Also, I'd like to buy a car that is far more capable than I am. If I can easily reach the cars limits, I'd get bored. Obviously it's not a daily. For the money, the ACR can't be beat.

What piece of paper are you referring to?

Based on sales numbers you are obviously in the minority.

[AW335TT]

Originally Posted by David70

Based on sales numbers you are obviously in the minority.

Well I'm a minority to begin with so its all good!

[FriskyDingo]

Originally Posted by AW335TT

3 seconds in that video but the ACR has posted a better lap than that. 1:28:xx

I'm sure a factory effort would post an even quicker time for the GT3 RS, as well. Either way, even 5 seconds still isn't a deal breaker for me.

[David70]

Originally Posted by FriskyDingo

I'm sure a factory effort would post an even quicker time for the GT3 RS, as well. Either way, even 5 seconds still isn't a deal breaker for me.

X2.

The idea that I could end up at a track with a good car, someone with the exact same skill level would also be at the track with a slightly better car, we would both try for our best lap time, and his might be slightly better wouldn't hurt my feelings.

[Nkc]

Originally Posted by David70

X2.

The idea that I could end up at a track with a good car, someone with the exact same skill level would also be at the track with a slightly better car, we would both try for our best lap time, and his might be slightly better wouldn't hurt my feelings.

Even when the other car is half the price?

[EfEightyM3]

Originally Posted by AW335TT

3 seconds in that video but the ACR has posted a better lap than that. 1:28:xx

You're making apples vs oranges comparisons of times. A time where a factory team goes out is not the same as a head to head compare lap.
I'm sure porsche could go stick an even stickier tire on, send a bunch of engineers and laptops and run an even faster time for the 918 and RS...except that they have no interest.

Funny is no one has mentioned the fact that the RS crushed the previous record of the viper TA which is a car that has 140 more hp and only weighs slightly more. As far as that goes, shows just how fast the RS truly is. Not to mention the fact that the z06 can barely beat it with 150 hp and 300 tq more.