[NGT2]

Originally Posted by Cortexiphan

It's not a coincidence. They want to get rid of the old slower X3s with dated design and dated tech; so they give deep discounts.
The new one will definitely be the best selling X3 ever, wanna bet?

We hear this 'Now old cards value will go up in resale, nobody would want the new one' BS every time a new model comes out from sad owners of the old models. Didn't happen with big grilled M3 and 4 series, they're the best selling ever. Didn't happen with 5 series, which is also selling well. Didn't happen any time, with any model...

You’re correct. It’s also a flawed logic model. If population and economics stayed the same, that would mean more. But you are right.

New 5 series will sell to some new buyers and some old ones will bail. Its just a completely different vehicle. Much more generic in size proportions, ride height, and driving feel than previous F10 or G30 plus no real performance model under M5.

So the older BMW gen owners are maybe right that a model has been “ruined” for what they’re looking for. But it will appeal to someone else. And then you have all the people that will just turn in a lease and re-up a new lease to whatever is on the lot. Not a hard group to retain. Just say it’s new and they’re in.

[Cortexiphan]

Originally Posted by ASAP

umm... kind of spinning reality a bit here... did you see BMW Q3 results? Virtually every single high volume model is down YTD vs YAGO... In fact, I don't know any model outside of the M3 Comp x Drive that can't get a discount right now.

https://g80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=2137505

It's ironic you called out the M3 and M4 as that is the ONLY set of models that I am aware of that have any sort of supply demand issue... I agree, those are limited and hard to get discounts on... i could partially attribute that to pathetic offerings from M benz and Audi but that's a different story.

No BMW EVs are selling well... XM is about to be discontinued I have yet to see more than a few of the new 5 and 7 series. The 3 series is WAY down even after an LCI release. X5 is down and those are the most important models for the brand given sales. Guess which one is way up even as the new X3 hasn't been released? lol... you guessed it... the G01 X3.

I don't know what you're talking about. There is a lot of false information here, but that's not even related to what I'm saying. First of all, if you bring up "I have yet to see more than a few of the new 5 and 7 series" as a metric, to any educated mind, everything else you say can be ignored... What you see yourself is not a metric. Maybe you can learn about your biases here: https://facilethings.com/blog/en/wha...s-all-there-is

BMW is doing amazing with EVs, they've even surpassed Tesla sales in EU. i4, i5, i7, iX all selling better than competition (such as EQS, E-Tron, EQE..). - by a mile.
Sales figures last year vs this year has nothing to do with what I'm talking about. That's about the overall market, as car sales went down overall. New models, selling better than older models in total; and that's what I'm talking about.
Also G20 has a boring design at this point (kinda like G01), but it still sold more than F30 in total- which is what I'm referring to. There isn't a new X5, so that has nothing to do with I'm saying either.
G01 argument is very unintelligible as well. Right now, from my dealer; I can lease an old X3 for $599. Same dealer wants $734/month for new X3 - completely barebones. G01 is cheaper than all the competitors, cheaper than X2!, and almost same as 330i. Because they wanna get rid of the old dingy slow X3 that nobody would buy at this moment if it was more expensive. Even the bitter old X3 owners here, if they were in the market now, they'd definitely buy the new one.
Again, wanna bet? New X3 will sell WAY more than G01.
I think G01 was the weakest car in BMW line-up, so I'm so glad it's gone - Worst comfort (worst damping, worst seats), worst build quality (all X3s I've been in rattled), idrive 7...

[Cortexiphan]

It's incredible how old G01 looks here.
It even has wrinkles.

If you don't see how dated G01 looks here, your tastes is definitely not aligned with our time.

[Sportstick]

Originally Posted by Cortexiphan

It's incredible how old G01 looks here.
It even has wrinkles.

Funny! But one person’s “wrinkles” are someone else’s “character”.

[Sportstick]

Originally Posted by Cortexiphan

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Again, wanna bet? New X3 will sell WAY more than G01.
I think G01 was the weakest car in BMW line-up, so I'm so glad it's gone - Worst comfort (worst damping, worst seats), worst build quality (all X3s I've been in rattled), idrive 7...

A couple of points here....

It is unlikely that the G45 will sell "WAY" more due to production constraints. All U.S.-produced G01 will be sold, and at Spartanburg, G45 will remain the lowest margin vehicle in the plant mix. It has a certain allocation, but there will be little to no financial incentive to downward substitute G45 vehicles for the rest of the higher margin vehicles filling that plant. Therefore, the final volume of G45 built and available for sale will likely not be dramatically different from G01.

I don't know if my or your experience is typical or the outlier, but one year in, I have no rattles, the seats are more comfortable than my prior 330i GT feeling as if designed based on my spine MRI, and whether the MAdaptive suspension is in Comfort or Sport, the impact harshness, damping, and ride comfort are all extremely good (19" wheels/tires).

I have no interest in changing anyone's mind about G01. If I'm happy, then I'm happy. But, there is more to the story than first stated.

[Sportstick]

Originally Posted by Cortexiphan

If you don't see how dated G01 looks here, your tastes is definitely not aligned with our time.

I saw your edit and had to

I don't think any one person here can define what is "aligned with our time". Do you mean your time? A similarly modern 2025 Genesis is of "our time" and looks quite more distinctive with much more character to me. I think we can agree that we have very different tastes and that's fine as all are subjective. Nothing further than that can be realistic.

[Equilibrandt]

What's any of this have to do with seeing and driving a G45 IRL?

Yes, people with the older model always seem to complain the loudest.
Yes, you are allowed to dislike the G45 even if you own a G01, though!
No, the average new BMW X3 buyer/driver is not represented by the average forum member here. This is an echo chamber full of BMW enthusiasts. Forecasting record high or low sales based on forum sentiment is idiotic.

[Zucco]

[NGT2]

Originally Posted by Cortexiphan

It's incredible how old G01 looks here.
It even has wrinkles.

If you don't see how dated G01 looks here, your tastes is definitely not aligned with our time.

I like the new one but the old one will age better. That’s not some slap in the face. It happens. Cars from some eras age better, aesthetically, than others. Some people appreciate progressive design above all else. It’s all good. Same is true for the G30 and G60. Give it another cycle and I think the G30 will have aged better.

BMW is all in on progressive design and making waves, right now. It’s consistent. Not really up for debate, as they’ve said as much. When you do that, not everyone is going to like it. It’s part of it.

[Mavus]

Originally Posted by ASAP

Are you referring to a software update on the 3rd gen B58 lol? There are no other drivetrain improvements that I am aware of... standard tires as opposed to RFT... ok

he is making up crap and misinforming with an obvious agenda based on many of his posts.

trying to argue that deletion of harnesses, switchgear, selection of cheap materials and less assembly complexity is somehow not cost savings. fortunatelly it seems most folks here realize this.

[Mavus]

Originally Posted by Sportstick

Funny! But one person’s “wrinkles” are someone else’s “character”.

to me the bottom one looks like a generic prototype of brand “fill in as desired” vs the top one that has fine design details/body lines incorporated for the final design

[DocMarshall]

I agree the last gen looks dated. There are definitely some parts of the G45 I don't like however, but my wife likes it and it's gonna be hers lol.

[hyde]

I just can't believe that dash gets a pass in a vehicle like this. Slapped on, no aesthetics, ugly panel. Irritating to say the least. I don't care about the transition to touchscreen at this point I don't even complain since we can't make them keep the buttons, that's the direction it seems, but this design choice is horrible. At least blend it in with the console do something. Horribly ugly for $60k to $80k vehicle.

[avi66]

Anyone driven an M50 in the dark ?

I understand the 30 uses a lower specification headlight to the M50, but BMW US has continued to decode the adaptive always on selective beam masking on the M50.

I appreciate some in the US had this feature partially/completely (?) coded back on previous generations, but this doesn’t appear possible on cloud based iDrive.

[Steeem]

Designers need to be fired. Sorry guys.

[blackpear]

Originally Posted by Steeem

Designers need to be fired. Sorry guys.

They have been, sort of - BMW reorganised department and moved key designers

[Cortexiphan]

Originally Posted by Sportstick

I I don't think any one person here can define what is "aligned with our time". Do you mean your time? A similarly modern 2025 Genesis is of "our time" and looks quite more distinctive with much more character to me. I think we can agree that we have very different tastes and that's fine as all are subjective. Nothing further than that can be realistic.

In "Our time"; cars have flatter, less-busy panels; minimalistic design, more focus on aerodynamics and efficiency. Cars from 80s,90s,2000s all look a certain way. G01 is definitely is more aligned with 2010s.

I loved the design of F82 a lot when I got it. But it looks extremely dated to me right now. (So does G20 at this point).

[Cortexiphan]

Originally Posted by Mavus

he is making up crap and misinforming with an obvious agenda based on many of his posts.

trying to argue that deletion of harnesses, switchgear, selection of cheap materials and less assembly complexity is somehow not cost savings. fortunatelly it seems most folks here realize this.

Agenda?
Lol. Things that don't align with you has an 'agenda', and they're 'misinformation'. BMW designers are and managers are stupid, the new trends are a global conspiracy to ruin cars. Your old cars were the best, and then, suddenly everything went to shit. Climate change is a hoax, the earth is flat, 2020 election was stolen.
The reality is: There isn't even one misinformation in my posts, everything can be proven; it's just that you're either severely ignorant, or;
https://www.pewtrusts.org/en/trend/a...-health-crisis

[Sportstick]

Originally Posted by Cortexiphan

In "Our time"; cars have flatter, less-busy panels; minimalistic design, more focus on aerodynamics and efficiency. Cars from 80s,90s,2000s all look a certain way. G01 is definitely is more aligned with 2010s.

I loved the design of F82 a lot when I got it. But it looks extremely dated to me right now. (So does G20 at this point).

Historically, fashion trends and other schools of design swing back and forth with aesthetics. What's the final answer on skinny jeans and bell bottoms? Depends when you ask. The less busy Avanti and more surface interest VW Beetle are quite different on this aspect, but are usually regarded as classic that are still appreciated. I suspect what you prefer and what you relegate to being "dated" and what I prefer and I relegate to dull, boring, and bland may relate to what imprinted on each of us early on. Wait a few years, and it will swing back the other way as humans ultimately are neurologically wired to pay more attention to novelty (this had evolutionary benefits) than either your or my preferred school of design. Designers know this, as do fashion folks, and realize the money is in creating a "zig" when everyone has gotten used to the existing "zag" in the marketplace. As with all trends, "flatter" and "less busy" will have its time and then something else (probably already familiar) will reappear in a new guise and everyone's gums will be flapping again on what they think is "best". This is all well and good as it is ultimately subjective. The only part of the dialog that is not supportable is that either your personal preference or mine are objectively true.

[ModernAngel]

I think I may be one of the weirdos who actually think the previous G01 M40i and current G45 M50 both look good, just in different ways.

[Sportstick]

Originally Posted by ModernAngel

I think I may be one of the weirdos who actually think both the previous G01 M40i and current G45 M50 look good, just in different ways.

Good times for you!

[mister8]

I have an m40i as a daily driver and planned to get the new m50. My dealer has their demo in and I have taken it it out twice. My take is that it is a cross between the m40i and the x5m50i I drove recently. Smoother, quieter ride, but somehow less visceral and thrilling to drive than m40i. I know it is supposed to be faster than the M 40i, but the different power band makes it feel a bit slower to me. It definitely feels larger, and more lush. Kind of reminds me of a Macan in ride quality, which is pretty cushy also. Seats are much better in the new model.
The interior seems gimmicky and and somehow adolescent, while my ‘22 m40i feels quality oriented and solid.
As far as the exterior looks, not a fan.
I will likely move up to the new x5m60? when it comes out next year, unless it looks like the new x3, in which case I will have to pass on that.
I’m sure it will sell well for those looking for their first x3 or moving from a much older one. I just don’t feel inclined to move from my ‘22. In fact it kind of makes me appreciate it more…